SAM-e as a nootropic-improves concentration

SAM-e

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SAM-e has been shown to relieve depression, anxiety, brain fog, and pain including arthritic and fibromyalgia pain, improve memory, mood and sociability, and support liver health

Key Takeaways

  1. SAM-e (S-Adenosyl Methionine) is a naturally occurring amino acid crucial for brain health and bodily functions.
  2. It regulates neurotransmitters, impacting mood, memory, and behavior.
  3. SAM-e treats depression and anxiety effectively, faster than traditional antidepressants and without their side effects.
  4. SAM-e enhances neuroplasticity, brain-cell membrane fluidity, and muscarinic receptors, leading to improved learning, memory, and mood.
  5. SAM-e supplementation with B vitamins at recommended dosages of 400 to 1600 mg daily benefits conditions like depression, anxiety, osteoarthritis pain, fibromyalgia, and chronic liver disease.

SAM-e (S-Adenosyl Methionine, Ademethionine, Adomet) is the naturally-occurring amino acid methionine bound to an ATP molecule. And is found in nearly every cell in your body.

SAM-e helps produce and breakdown the neurotransmitters acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine and melatonin in your brain. SAM-e maintains cell membranes and plays a role in a healthy immune system.

Studies show that SAM-e is very effective in treating depression without the side effects of prescription antidepressants. And while pharmaceutical antidepressants can take from 6 to 8 weeks to begin working, SAM-e can work much faster.

The latest research shows that SAM-e can be anti-anxiety, reduces pain including in fibromyalgia, and can improve learning, memory and mood.

SAM-e helps:

  • Neuroplasticity. SAM-e is involved in the formation of myelin that surrounds and protects axons. And SAM-e can improve brain-cell membrane fluidity. Enhancing the function of neuroreceptors.
  • Neurotransmitters. SAM-e is involved in the synthesis of acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine. Helping to normalize mood, moderate behavior, and elevate emotions.
  • Neuroprotectant. SAM-e helps produce the powerful antioxidant glutathione through a process called transsulfuration. SAM-e helps stabilize cell membranes and promotes the secretion of bile. And through a process called aminopropylation, SAM-e is converted into the antioxidant methylthioadenosine, which has anti-inflammatory and analgesic (pain-relieving) properties.

Overview

SAM-e (S-Adenosyl Methionine) is a naturally occurring coenzyme that plays many critical roles in your body.

SAM-e (S-Adenosyl Methionine) chemical structure
SAM-e (S-Adenosyl Methionine)

SAM-e is made from methionine and ATP (adenosine triphosphate) during a cycle that recycles the amino acid homocysteine. This cycle requires Vitamin B6 and B12 and folate (B9) to work properly.

SAM-e is a precursor to the crucial antioxidant glutathione which is used in your brain and liver. When glutathione levels drop in your body, liver damage from oxidative stress begins within seconds of exposure to alcohol or toxins.

SAM-e is a methyl donor that contributes to several essential processes in your brain. As a methyl donor, SAM-e is involved in the production and recycling of hormones, cytokines, and the neurotransmitters acetylcholine, dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin.

This methyl donor process is call ‘methylation’, and contributes to gene expression. Affecting how your cells work and communicate including your cell DNA.

SAM-e modifies important molecules in cell membranes that control communications within and between brain cells. SAM-e boosts the number of muscarinic receptors in certain parts of your brain which are critical to this cellular communications network.

SAM-e is used to treat depression, anxiety, osteoarthritis pain, fibromyalgia, and chronic liver disease.

SAM-e is sold as an OTC dietary supplement in the United States and Canada. And as a prescription drug in several European Union countries, and Russia. SAM-e is marketed under the brand names Adomet, Gumbaral, Samyr, Heptral, Agotan, Donamet, Isimet and Admethionine.

SAM-e supplementation can help prevent depression

How does SAM-e work in the Brain?

SAM-e boosts brain health and function in several ways. But two in particular stand out.

  1. SAM-e helps alleviate depression. SAME-e is one of the main building blocks your brain needs to produce the neurotransmitters acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine and melatonin. By raising the levels of dopamine in your brain, SAM-e helps enhance memory, motivation and learning.

Researchers at the West Los Angeles VA Medical Center studied the antidepressant effect of oral SAM-e in a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial for 15 patients with major depression.

The researchers found that SAM-e is a safe, effective antidepressant with few side effects and a rapid onset of action. And may be useful for those who cannot tolerate prescription tricyclic antidepressants.[i]

  1. SAM-e directly influences neuronal signaling. SAM-e increases the number of muscarinic receptors in the hippocampus. We have two kinds of acetylcholine (ACh) receptors in our brain. 1) Nicotinic receptors and 2) Muscarinic receptors

Most of the nootropics we investigate here at Nootropics Expert influence nicotinic receptors and ACh. Muscarinic receptors have a very different mechanism of action. They are part of a large family of G-protein-coupled receptors (GPCRs) which are used as an intracellular secondary messenger system.

Your brain has a very complex system of control to regulate different processes going on in different cells at different times. For this to work, there must be a sophisticated means of communication between cells.

GPCRs and their G proteins provide this intercellular communication. And form one of the most important signaling systems in your brain. They are involved in nearly every aspect of your physiology and behavior.

G proteins work by binding neurotransmitters, hormones, growth factors, cytokines, odorants and photons at the cell surface to the GPCR, and activating that receptor. Everything you see, hear, smell, or taste goes through this signaling process.

And SAM-e increases the number of these muscarinic receptors in parts of your brain, including your hippocampus. In one study, aged rats were given SAM-e for 30 days. Supplementation with SAM-e restored the number of muscarinic receptors to levels found in the same areas in young animals.[ii]

Supplementing with SAM-e to increase muscarinic receptors in your brain can boost neuroplasticity and increase learning, memory, mood and even smell and vision.

How things go bad

You have healthy levels of SAM-e throughout your body when you’re young. But as you age, your body makes less of it. This is why young people bounce back from difficult experiences more easily. They’ve got higher levels of dopamine and a higher pain threshold than adults.

SAM-e is a major methyl donor in your body. It is involved in the biosynthesis of hormones, neurotransmitters, proteins and phospholipids.[iii]low SAM-e can cause depression

SAM-e participates in a sequence of events involving folic acid (folate) and Vitamin B12. Folate converts to 5-MTHF (5-methyltetrahydrofolate) which converts freely circulating homocysteine back into the amino acid Methionine (using Vitamin B12). L-Methionine then binds to an Adenosine group from ATP to create SAM-e.

SAM-e is then able to donate methyl groups (called methylation) to a variety of reactions including the production and breakdown of the neurotransmitters dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine and melatonin in your brain.

This methylation process degrades SAM-e into S-Adenosylhomocysteine. Which is then fed back into this cycle from the beginning. This process is referred to as a ‘one-carbon cycle’.

If you don’t have enough folate or Vitamin B12 available, this SAM-e methylation process breaks down. And the result can be depression, brain fog, poor recall and memory, and pain.

This lack of folate and Vitamin B12 can affect you regardless of age. This is a big enough problem that the Canadian government mandated folate fortification of all flour, and some corn and rice products to address this issue in 1998.[iv]

Low levels of SAM-e, methylfolate, Vitamin B6 and B12 can lead to all kinds of problems. And genetic defects that don’t allow the use of these important vitamins can result in the same symptoms.

Cognition, memory, recall, and mood diminish

↓ Methylfolate, Vitamin B6 & B12 absorption declines

↑ Homocysteine levels rise

↑ Pain levels rise

↓ Mental health, language and fine motor skills decline

All of these changes in brain energy metabolism are contributing factors to neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, ALS, epilepsy, dementia, and other cognitive symptoms.

But even if you’re not concerned with genetic defects, a lack of B-Vitamins, or the effects of aging, SAM-e can help.

SAM-e supplements are anti-anxiety

SAM-e benefits

Stress-related disorders like anxiety, major depression and PTSD are some of the most debilitating illnesses known to man. And if you’re reading this, and dealing with any of these, supplementing with SAM-e may help.

To cope with stress requires changes in the expression of “immediate-early genes” in your hippocampus. The same area of your brain you use for learning and memory.

Stressful events result in epigenetic (gene) modifications within ‘immediate-early genes’ in your hippocampus neurons. DNA methylation acts to suppress the expression of these genes. This is where SAM-e comes in…

SAM-e is a methyl donor for the enzyme that methylates your DNA. When SAM-e levels are high enough, a stressful event will not result in DNA de-methylation.

Instead, a stressful event enhances DNA methylation of ‘immediate-early genes’. Which suppress their expression and allows you to adapt in a healthy way to this stressful situation.[v]

SAM-e is a powerful antidepressant. In 2005, researchers combed through the databases of Medline, Psychinfo, AMED, and Cochrane Controlled Trials Register. And collated the findings of randomized, controlled trials studying SAM-e for depression through to September 2001.

The team concluded after analyzing all the clinical evidence that SAM-e was effective in treating major depression in adults.[vi]

SAM-e is also a potent pain-killer. A recent study looked at 56 people with arthritis in their knees for 16 weeks. One group took the COX-2 inhibitor Celebrex while the other group took SAM-e.

Researchers found that SAM-e was as effective as Celebrex at eliminating pain. And without the potential side effects of heart attack or stroke that can be caused by using Celebrex.[vii]

Another study on the effect of SAM-e with 17 fibromyalgia patients confirmed a close relationship between primary fibromyalgia and psychologic problems including depression.

SAM-e treatment improved the depressive state of these patients. And SAM-e was found to be an effective and safe therapy in the management of fibromyalgia.[viii]

How does SAM-e feel?

For some, supplementing with SAM-e can be life-changing.supplementing with SAM-e can increase your sense of well-being

SAM-e can have a profound effect on emotions, depression, and feelings of anxiety. You may experience improved concentration, energy, alertness, and feelings of well-being. Even vision can become clearer.

Once you start supplementing with SAM-e, you should experience at the very least, a general sense of well-being.

SAM-e works particularly well for those who deal with depression or anxiety. Neurohackers report that they no longer have panic attacks. And the feeling of doom is gone.

Adding SAM-e to your nootropic stack can improve sociability, and not feeling overwhelmed by life. Brain fog lifts and thinking is clearer and faster.

Others say that the “dark cloud has lifted”, and all the negativity and stress is gone. Things that normally would irritate are just brushed off, and you move on.

One big word of caution: SAM-e needs Vitamins B6 & B12 and folate to work. Or supplementing with SAM-e may be a waste of time and money because without adequate levels of these B-Vitamins it will not provide any benefit.

You’ll notice reference to B-Vitamins several times in this article on SAM-e. It is that important. Use Vitamin B6 & B12 and folate every day that you supplement with SAM-e. Or use a B-Complex formula that contains methylfolate (B9) (avoid folic acid).

SAM-e improves learning and memory

SAM-e Clinical Research

SAM-e Lifts Mood

We have made significant progress in the last 100 years in diagnosing and treating depression. And yet, 10’s of millions still suffer from depression. In 2014, an estimated 15.7 million adults in the United States had at least one major depressive episode in the past year.[ix]

In the United States, one in ten Americans are using antidepressants.[x] I don’t have statistics from other countries but I suspect many have similar problems. Unfortunately, antidepressants only work 30 – 50% of the time. And often come with a host of side effects.

One reason that many people continue to suffer from depression is that most doctors are not aware of the link between homocysteine and depression.

If you’re dealing with depression and have had little success with antidepressants, you may have something as simple (and as serious) as a folate deficiency. Or low levels of Vitamin B12. Studies show a link between folate deficiency and impaired metabolism of serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine.

One study looked at 46 patients with severe depression. 24 of these patients had raised levels of homocysteine. And significantly lower levels of folate, SAM-e, and other metabolites.

The researchers concluded that looking at total homocysteine levels could be a measure of depression. When it is caused by a folate deficiency, impaired methylation (SAM-e), and poor neurotransmitter metabolism (SAM-e). And a potential benefit to simply using vitamin replacement to treat severe depression.[xi]

Or supplementing with SAM-e to treat depressive symptoms.

SAM-e for ADHD in Adults

Ritalin and Adderall are thought to be the most effective treatment in children and adults with ADHD. These stimulants work by potentiating both dopamine and norepinephrine at the synaptic cleft. But stimulant meds for ADHD come with side effects.

SAM-e acts as a methyl donor and is involved in many metabolic pathways. It has both adrenergic and dopamine receptor agonist activity.

A research team at the University of California used SAM-e with subjects diagnosed with Adult ADHD in a 9-week double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.

The research team found that 75% of the patients had a significant improvement in ADHD symptoms while using SAM-e. And the 25% who did not respond to SAM-e, did not respond to Ritalin either.[xii]

SAM-e Treats Depression

Scientists at the US Department of Health and Human Services conducted an analysis of 102 individual studies in 25 databases on SAM-e and depression in 2002. The report distilled data gleaned from published studies conducted around the world up to 2002.

This comprehensive report is called, “S-Adenosyl-L-Methionine for Treatment of Depression, Osteoarthritis, and Liver Disease.” The researchers found that SAM-e is just as effective as standard antidepressant drugs at treating depression.

The agency concluded, “Treatment with SAM-e was equivalent to standard therapy for depression”.[xiii]

SAM-e Recommended Dosage

Recommended dosage of SAM-e for nootropic benefit is 400 mg per day.SAM-e nootropic dosage

SAM-e for depression: 400 – 1600 mg daily in divided doses

SAM-e for bone and joint health: 200 – 1200 mg daily in divided doses

SAM-e for liver function issues: 1600 mg daily in divided doses

SAM-e for alcoholic liver disease: 600 – 1200 mg daily in divided doses

Some research and many user reports suggest that once positive effects are achieved, SAM-e doses can be reduced. Some report benefit with as little as 100 mg of SAM-e daily.

Studies show that SAM-e should be consumed with B-Vitamins. When SAM-e donates its methyl group, it breaks down into homocysteine. Elevated homocysteine levels are associated with increased heart disease, birth defects and depression.

Choose a bioactive B-Complex to use with SAM-e. Or a high quality and bioactive Multi like my favorite, the Performance Lab® NutriGenesis Multi for men or women which contains therapeutic amounts of each of the B-Vitamins you need while using SAM-e.

In order to prevent homocysteine accumulating, logic tells us based on its mechanism of action that sufficient levels of B-Vitamins must be present to convert homocysteine into the potent antioxidant glutathione.

Take SAM-e on an empty stomach and an hour before eating any food. SAM-e is best digested in your intestines and not your stomach. Not letting SAM-e settle into your digestive tract could cause stomach upset.

SAM-e Side Effects

SAM-e is produced naturally in your body. So is considered well-tolerated and safe.

If you have bipolar disorder, you could develop mania when supplementing with SAM-e. So check with your doctor before using SAM-e.

If you’re on antidepressant medication, you should check with your doctor before supplementing with SAM-e.

High doses of SAM-e can cause gas, upset stomach, diarrhea, constipation, dry mouth, headache, dizziness, anxiety or skin rashes. SAM-e may also trigger an allergic reaction in some people.

Type of SAM-e to buy

SAM-e is available in 200 and 400 mg tablets.

For optimal effects with SAM-e, stable, enteric-coated tablets are recommended. SAM-e should be taken on an empty stomach, either one hour before or two hours after meals.

SAM-e is highly unstable so check expiration dates. And you should get tablets that are packed in sealed, gel-packs for freshness.

Avoid SAM-e in powder form as you’ll likely be unsatisfied with the results.

Nootropics Expert Recommendation

SAM-e 400 mg per day

Nootropics Expert Tested and ApprovedI recommend using SAM-e as a nootropic supplement.

Your body does make some SAM-e on its own. But SAM-e levels decrease as we age. And you cannot get SAM-e from food.

SAM-e is critical for the methylation process needed for making important neurotransmitters including acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine and melatonin.

SAM-e is also involved in the cycle which produces the critical antioxidant glutathione.  And it’s involved in maintaining brain cell membrane integrity and fluidity.

SAM-e increases muscarinic receptors in your hippocampus which boosts the activity of acetylcholine and other critical neurotransmitters in your brain. Leading to improved learning, memory and mood.

SAM-e is especially helpful if you’re dealing with depression. Or having difficulty coping with any kind of stress.

We suggest a dose of 400 mg daily. It may take a while for SAM-e to build up in your system. So be patient. Once you’re achieving the affects you want from SAM-e, you can eventually try scaling back your dose to 100 or 200 mg.

SAM-e needs Vitamins B6 & B12 and folate to work. Or SAM-e may not provide the benefit you are looking for. Most integrative medicine doctors and naturopaths recommend stacking a high quality B-Complex when using SAM-e. So make sure you stack SAM-e with the B-Vitamins listed above, or a good Vitamin B Complex formula that uses methylfolate (NOT folic acid).

Or use a high quality Multi containing these bioactive B-Vitamins like my favorite, the Performance Lab® NutriGenesis Multi for men or women.

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[i] Kagan B.L., Sultzer D.L., Rosenlicht N., Gerner R.H. “Oral S-adenosylmethionine in depression: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.” American Journal of Psychiatry. 1990 May;147(5):591-5. (source)

[ii] Muccioli G., Scordamaglia A., Bertacco S., Di Carlo R. “Effect of S-adenosyl-L-methionine on brain muscarinic receptors of aged rats.”European Journal of Pharmacology. 1992 Nov 2;227(3):293-9. (source)

[iii] Park L.K., Friso S., Choi S.W. “Nutritional influences on epigenetics and age-related disease.” Proceedings of the Nutrition Society. 2012 Feb;71(1):75-83. (source)

[iv] Ray J.G., Cole D.E., Boss S.C. “An Ontario-wide study of vitamin B12, serum folate, and red cell folate levels in relation to plasma homocysteine: is a preventable public health issue on the rise?” Clinical Biochemistry. 2000 Jul;33(5):337-43. (source)

[v] Saunderson E.A., Spiers H., Mifsud K.R., Gutierrez-Mecinas M., Trollope A.F., Shaikh A., Mill J., Reul J.M. “Stress-induced gene expression and behavior are controlled by DNA methylation and methyl donor availability in the dentate gyrus.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences U S A. 2016 Apr 26;113(17):4830-5 (source)

[vi] Williams A.L., Girard C., Jui D., Sabina A., Katz D.L. “S-adenosylmethionine (SAMe) as treatment for depression: a systematic review.” Clinical and Investigative Medicine. 2005 Jun;28(3):132-9. (source)

[vii] Najm W.I., Reinsch S., Hoehler F., Tobis J.S., Harvey P.W. “S-adenosyl methionine (SAMe) versus celecoxib for the treatment of osteoarthritis symptoms: a double-blind cross-over trial.” BMC Musculoskeletal Disorders. 2004 Feb 26;5:6. (source)

[viii] Tavoni A., Vitali C., Bombardieri S., Pasero G. “Evaluation of S-adenosylmethionine in primary fibromyalgia.” A double-blind crossover study. American Journal of Medicine. 1987 Nov 20;83(5A):107-10. (source)

[ix] “Major Depression Among Adults” National Institute of Mental Health nimh.nih.org Retrieved July 25, 2016 (source)

[x] Rabin R.C. “A Glut of Antidepressants” The New York Times blogblogs.nytimes.com Retrieved July 25, 2016 (source)

[xi] Bottiglieri T., Laundy M., Crellin R., Toone B.K., Carney M.W., Reynolds E.H. “Homocysteine, folate, methylation, and monoamine metabolism in depression.” Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry. 2000 Aug;69(2):228-32. (source)

[xii] Shekim W.O., Antun F., Hanna G.L., McCracken J.T., Hess E.B. “S-adenosyl-L-methionine (SAM) in adults with ADHD, RS: preliminary results from an open trial.” Psychopharmacology Bulletin. 1990;26(2):249-53. (source)

[xiii] “S-Adenosyl-L-Methionine (SAMe) for Depression, Osteoarthritis, and Liver Disease” US Department for Health and Human Servicesarchive.ahrq.gov Retrieved July 25, 2016 (source)

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Join The Discussion - 363 comments

Robert Long
September 25, 2019

At what point do you updose?
I see it takes some time Lomé 6-8 weeks (long when dealing with depression).

Is it too soon to try 800 (400 2x per day)?

Is that a AM / Noon or AM / PM ?

Thank you
Anyone can answer

    David Tomen
    September 27, 2019

    Robert, you can try 400 mg twice a day to start. Once in the morning and again at noon. But make sure you take this size of dose with a good B-Complex. Otherwise, it’ll elevate homocysteine levels which are associated with increased heart disease, and depression.

Robert Liong
September 16, 2019

Looks like Swanson Ultra – is the best quality brand based on your 7 step criteria.

Figured I’d post for readers,

Robert L
September 9, 2019

What scare me is the US never lets something that works to be OTC.
My friend back early 90’s was taking SJW from Germany and later they were band and coincidentally a new US brand was launched.
Same thing happened with tryptophan in the 80’s when Prozac came out. Satan really does rule this world.

So I’m Leary of potency and quality of anything anymore.

Question is about initial sensations – like a loopy, buzzy brain feeling. Not intense but it’s all the time. This is 1 week in. (This is a back story) .. as I continued it got so annoying I quit before 2 weeks.

Is it like ADs that have a starting brain battle before it balances?

Eugen
June 13, 2019

Hi David, thanks for such a detailed article!

Could you recommend a b-complex for taking together with sam-e?
I’ve browsed through some of them and it’s hard to find one with dosages recommended in your b-vitamin articles

which one do you use? 🙂

Ade
June 12, 2019

Hi David. I came accross this site while researching Methionine. I was hoping to find answers to my issues (and those of my two boys teenage boys) from the blog. But did not. My story: (After years of depression, anxiety, lack of motivation, arthritis(diagnosed at age 19) bad memory,( I dont even remember people I met in the past) I have found, through research that I have Pyroluria and maybe, Histadelia. We are now on high dose b6, and zinc. As well as Magnesium, Manganese,Vit., C etc. Memory improved a bit. But the Arthritis pain, depression, lack of motivation, sleep disorder are still very present. I am now 52 years and I believe the damage done by this condition is irreversible. I really wish to help my two Sons who have similar symptoms like I do, from this debilitating condition. Do you think adding sam-e would help with Pyroluria. If not, what suggestion do you have? Thanks indeed.

    David Tomen
    June 13, 2019

    Ade, the only effective treatment for Pyroluria as far as I can tell is Vitamin B3, B5, manganese, zinc, vitamins C and E, omega-3s and cysteine. And zinc depresses copper stores so you need to use 1.5 – 2 mg of copper daily as well.

    But because of the complexity of proper levels of these nutrients, they need to be monitored using fairly frequent labs until you get some relief. Then it’s a matter of continuing whatever level of that treatment works.

Jay LIM
May 28, 2019

Dear David.

I’d like to let you know what has happened since the last question(Last year, December 12). I found that after I reduced SJW dosage, I felt better. But after a few weeks, it went bad again, and I reduced SJW dosage again, and I felt better again. So before I tried other supplements, I could keep my mood this way by reducing my SJW dosage.(1800mg->1200->900->600->300) I stopped SJW completely, and a few weeks later, I felt bad again, and I thought I had to try something new. I’m sorry. You said ‘SAM-e is likely not the answer you are looking for’ but I wanted to try SAM-e before I tried L-Tyrosine. I just wanted to try everything to see what would have a long-term effect on me. And I realized that you were right, too. It’s been 25 days since I took 400mg of SAM-e until today, but I’m still not feeling well. And I took NALT(350mg) for five days, but it didn’t work either.

How long does it usually take for SAM-e to respond to depression? Is it possible that if I increase the dose of SAM-e, it will work?

About NALT, If my depression was related to a lack of dopamine, how long does it usually take to respond after taking NALT? If NALT doesn’t work at 350 mg, should I increase the dosage? Or should I change to L-tyrosine? Or is it time to try something else?? And I still have some SAM-e left. While trying NALT, can I continue to take SAM-e? I’m sorry for so many questions.

And I am always very grateful for your help.

    David Tomen
    May 28, 2019

    Jay, you would know by now if SAM-e was helping you. But with NALT you’d know right away if the dosage was correct. I’d try doubling your dosage first before deciding if dopamine was you problem or it was something else.

    But don’t forget that your brain needs the B-Vitamins as well if you want NALT to produce dopamine.

Suzy
May 23, 2019

Hi David, I take 15mg of Mirtazapine each night (used to be on 30mg…no effect from it thus far). I have stress/depression induced tinnitus and Mirtazapine was the only option that didn’t have tinnitus as a side effect. But I’m not responding to it, I don’t even have the munchies haha! No sleepiness either from the Mirtazapine, so that was my first indication that it’s not working for me.

Can I safely start up SAM-e together with Mirtazapine? My psychiatrist didn’t even know about SAM-e…so he was of no help.

I’m suspecting MTHFR problems as I have an autistic dad and I suffer from fertility problems (and didn’t absorb folic acid when I was pregnant). I’m neurotypical, but ya know…genes and all 😉

Any advice you can give? Thanks 🙂

    David Tomen
    May 23, 2019

    Suzy, if Mirtazapine doesn’t work for you it’s likely because your depression is caused by something other than problems with norepinephrine and/or serotonin. Please see this post for more on the different causes of depression: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-depression/

    Using SAM-e with Mirtazapine shouldn’t be a problem. But it’s not likely to solve your issues either. If you decide to try SAM-e then make sure you use it with a high-quality B-Complex supplement.

    Please study that post on depression and consider trying different nootropics that affect other possible causes. If it’s too confusing for you consider scheduling a consultation with me: https://nootropicsexpert.com/personal-consultations/

Kenneth
March 14, 2019

Hi David,

If one suspects that their anxiety and depression is due to overmethylation, is it contraindicated to use SAM-E?

Thanks,

Kenneth

    David Tomen
    March 14, 2019

    Kenneth, If you don’t have enough folate or Vitamin B12 available, the SAM-e methylation process breaks down. Which can result in depression, brain fog, poor recall and memory, and pain. Have you thought of supplementing with Folate and methylcobalamin to see if that helps?

      Kenneth
      March 16, 2019

      I’ve had my B12 tested and its 380ng/ml which is towards the lower level of normal, not sure what my folate level is however. I’m taking a B Vitamin Complex which contains folate and I’ve added methylcobalamin recently but not really noticing any difference. I was given duloxetine last year but found it made me severely anxious which led me to think that my symptoms are not due to neurotransmitter depletion; 5HTP and L-Tyrosine leave me feeling flat. I respond excellently to benzodiazepines which also suggests overmethylation. Niacin produced a good response initially but now I find that 100-200mgs is more than enough to produce a flush, so that makes me think that the Niacin has mopped up the methyl. I’ve recently started NAC and Rhodiola with good results so far. Your thoughts as always are most welcome.

      Thanks

        David Tomen
        March 16, 2019

        Kenneth, benzos work by enhancing the effect of GABA and GABAa receptor in your brain. Have you ever considered trying 500 mg of GABA before bed and seeing how you feel the next day?

        Kenneth
        March 17, 2019

        Thanks David,

        Your website is a fantastic resource and has been a great help.

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