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Author: David Tomen | Nootropics Expert Founder Modified: September 02, 2023

David Tomen is a nootropics expert and author of the influential "Head First – The Complete Guide to Healing & Optimizing Your Brain with Nootropic Supplements" and ‘Secrets of the Optimized Brain’.  David also runs the popular Nootropics Expert YouTube channel.

May 11, 2021 By David Tomen 92 Comments

Vitamin B9 (Folate)

Vitamin B9 (Folate)
Vitamin B9 is known to improve mood, energy, initiative, alertness, concentration, psychomotor speed, and social activity

Vitamin B9 (Folate, folic acid, 5-methylenetetrahydrofolate) is water-soluble, and one of 8 B-Vitamins.

Folate functions as a coenzyme in single-carbon transfers in the synthesis of DNA and RNA. And converts homocysteine to methionine which is used in the synthesis of S-Adenosyl-methionine (SAMe).[i]

As a nootropic, folate is also involved in gene expression, amino acid synthesis, myelin synthesis, and is required for the synthesis of the neurotransmitters dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine and serotonin.

Many neurohackers, including doctors and other health professionals confuse folate with folic acid. They are NOT the same.

In this article, we’ll explore the differences between folate and folic acid. And how Vitamin B9 (folate) is critical for the fully optimized brain.

Vitamin B9 (Folate) helps:

  • Brain Optimization: Folate is involved in DNA and RNA synthesis, gene expression, amino acid synthesis and metabolism, and myelin synthesis and repair.
  • Neurotransmitters: Folate is required for the synthesis of dopamine, epinephrine and serotonin.
  • Mood: It is thought within research circles that folate’s involvement in neurotransmitter synthesis is most responsible for mood and cognition. Even increasing the effect of SSRI’s in those being treated for depression.

Table of Contents

  • Overview
    • Problems with MTHFR
  • How does Vitamin B9 (Folate) work in the Brain?
  • How things go bad
  • Vitamin B9 (Folate) benefits
  • How does Vitamin B9 (Folate) feel?
  • Vitamin B9 (Folate) Clinical Research
    • Folate as an Antidepressant
    • Folate Reduces Risk for Dementia
    • Vitamin B9 (Folic Acid) Improves Memory
  • Vitamin B9 (Folate) Recommended Dosage
  • Vitamin B9 (Folate) Side Effects
  • Vitamin B9 (Folate) types to buy
  •  Nootropics Expert Recommendation

Overview

Vitamin B9 (Folate, folic acid, 5-methylenetetrahydrofolate) is water-soluble, and one of 8 B-Vitamins.

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L-Methyl-Folate (L-5-MTHF, L-methylfolate)

Folate is a critical component of DNA and RNA synthesis, gene expression, amino acid synthesis, and myelin synthesis and repair. Folate is required as part of the cycle that produces most of your major neurotransmitters including dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine and serotonin.

Folate is used in red blood cell production, helps break down and use proteins, and just about every other process in your body.

Folate deficiency is found in at least a third of those suffering from depression. Folate touches nearly everything happening in your brain. And the reason why we’re investigating it here. Folate should be part of your nootropic stack.

Green leafy vegetables, or ‘foliage’ are rich sources of folate. And how ‘folate’ got its name. You can also get folate from citrus fruit juice, legumes, fortified foods and liver.L-Methyl-Folate = foliage

When you eat vegetables containing folate, or eat flour-enriched with folic acid, an enzyme called MTHFR (5,10-methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase) converts folic acid and food folate into 5-methylenetetrahydrofolate (methyl-folate or 5-MTHF).

Folate is a general term for a group of various tetrahydrofolate (THF) derivatives naturally found in food.  Folic acid refers to an oxidized synthetic compound used in dietary supplements and food fortification.

THF can enter the main and natural folate metabolic cycle which starts out in the mucosa of your small intestine. Synthetic Folic acid on the other hand undergoes initial reduction and methylation in your liver, where conversion to the THF form requires the enzyme dihydrofolate reductase.

One of the problems with choosing the unnatural folic acid version is if there is low activity of the dihydrofolate reductase enzyme, combined with high intake of folic acid, you end up with unnatural levels of unmetabolized folic acid entering your circulation.

Several studies have reported the presence of this unmetabolized folic acid in blood following consumption of folic acid supplements, or folic acid-fortified food.[ii]

We have growing evidence in Western society that we generally test for excess levels of unnatural folic acid. Due mainly to eating processed foods and folic acid-enriched flour. And still suffer from a folate deficiency.

High doses of synthetic folic acid may increase your risk of cancer, immune system damage and other health problems.[iii]

Problems with MTHFR

Another major problem affecting folate deficiency is problems with the MTHFR gene. Remember that this enzyme called MTHFR (5,10-methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase) is needed to convert folic acid and food folate into 5-methylenetetrahydrofolate.Mthfr gene mutation results in folate deficiency

There are two common variants in this gene that affects the functioning of MTHFR. They are called C677T and A1298C. Both variants are genetically inherited. And depending on their presence in your system, can reduce the effectiveness of MTHFR from 30 – 70%. Another cause for folate deficiency.

Estimates of the prevalence of these mutations in our general population are up to 60%. Some doctors report that nearly every patient in their practice have one or both MTHFR mutations.[iv]

And we have clinical evidence of the association between both MTHFR mutations in depression, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.[v]

Folate is one busy molecule in your body:

  • Donates a methyl group to homocysteine to make SAMe. The methyl donor SAMe is involved in the formation of phospholipids, glutathione, myelin, coenzyme Q10, carnitine and creatine in your brain
  • Synthesizes the enzyme cofactor biopterin (BH4) which is critical for the synthesis of major neurotransmitters including dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine and serotonin
  • Synthesizes DNA and tRNA
  • Recycles and reduces the inflammatory amino acid homocysteine
  • Builds red and white blood cells and platelets.

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How does Vitamin B9 (Folate) work in the Brain?

Vitamin B9 (Folate) boosts brain health and function in several ways. But two in particular stand out.

  1. Folate influences neuroplasticity and neurotransmitters. Folate is required for the synthesis of the neurotransmitters dopamine, epinephrine, and serotonin.

The active metabolite of folate, 5-methyltetrahydrofolate (5-MTHF, L-methylfolate), participates in re-methylation of the amino acid homocysteine, creating methionine. S-adenosylmethionine (SAMe), the downstream metabolite of methionine, is involved in numerous biochemical methyl donation reactions, including reactions forming the above-mentioned neurotransmitters.

Without the participation of 5-MTHF in this process, SAMe and neurotransmitter levels decrease in the cerebrospinal fluid, contributing to the disease process of depression.

Studies have shown that those being treated for depression with SSRI antidepressants, and not responding to these drugs, can get a much better response by taking folate with their antidepressants.[vi]

  1. Folate helps reduce depression. Folate is involved in one-carbon metabolism in the brain. This folate cycle is responsible for the synthesis of methyl groups, which are utilized by SAMe in several methylation reactions involving nucleoproteins, proteins, phospholipids, neurotransmitters and monoamines.

Deficiency of both folate and Vitamin B12 will impair methylation processes. Causing the accumulation of homocysteine. Low concentrations of folate in your blood, red blood cells and cerebrospinal fluid are associated with depression and dementia.

Research shows that cognitive function is related to methylation processes in your brain.[vii] This depression hypothesis is supported by the similar effect of SAMe on monoamine neurotransmitter metabolism, which is also implicated in depression.[viii]

The lowest concentrations of folate and SAMe in cerebrospinal fluid are found in dementia, including Alzheimer’s Disease.[ix]

How things go bad

Methyl-folate (5-MTHF) works with Vitamins B2, B6 and B12 as well as cofactors like magnesium in this methylation cycle in every cell in your body and brain.l-methyl-folate-reduces-anxiety

The metabolic process called methylation occurs when one molecule provides a methyl group, which is a carbon atom linked to three hydrogen atoms, to another molecule. And makes things like creatine, carnitine, CoQ10, phosphatidylcholine (PC), melatonin and a bunch of other crucial neurotransmitters and substances in your body.

Methylation is involved in cognition, repairing DNA, turning genes on and off, fighting infections and inflammation, getting rid of toxins and much, much more.

Problems with methylation (which can be caused by not enough folate) can contribute to addictions, Alzheimer’s, anxiety, ADD and ADHD, bipolar and manic depression, chronic fatigue syndrome, dementia, diabetes, fibromyalgia, schizophrenia, and hypothyroidism.

Methylation is not only involved in the synthesis of neurotransmitters, but breaking them down as well. This critical step, when broken, causes a buildup of neurotransmitters that can lead to seizures, insomnia, panic attacks, fits of rage, and more. Much more.

A deficiency of methyl-folate (5-MTHF) in your body caused by problems with this methylation pathway leads to a deficiency of glutathione, your major antioxidant. This can take shape as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, increased immune activation, chemical sensitivities and even diseases like ALS, MS, and Parkinson’s.

Not enough folate and you can experience:

↓ Mitochondrial dysfunction[x]

↓ Depression, mood and social function decline

↓ Cognitive function declines

↓ Concentration, cognition and memory decline

↑ Risk of Alzheimer’s and dementia increase

↑ Risk of anemia increases

↑ Irritability, forgetfulness, and mental sluggishness increase

Vitamin B9 supplementation can help increase the density of serotonin and dopamine neurotransmitters in your brain. And improve neurotransmitter signaling. Helping you to cope with stress, lessen depression and improve memory.

Vitamin B9 (Folate) benefits

Depression affects about a quarter of the US population who will have at least one depressive episode in their lifetime. (My apologies to our readers from other countries. I only have statistics for the USA).

L-Methyl-Folate-improves-cognitionBut world-wide, folate deficiency is found in at least a third of those suffering from depression. And research shows that folate levels even in the “normal range” might be inadequate for methyl donation and neurotransmitter synthesis.

By adding folate, or methyl-folate to your nootropic stack, you’re adding a necessary ingredient for the synthesis of the neurotransmitters dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine and serotonin.

The active metabolite of folate (5-MTHF, L-methyl-folate) participates in the re-methylation of the amino acid homocysteine creating methionine. SAMe, the downstream metabolite of methionine, is involved in several methyl donor reactions, including forming most of your major neurotransmitters.

Methyl-folate also seems to save the day by stepping in, and substituting for tetrahydrobiopterin (BH4), an essential cofactor in neurotransmitter synthesis (when BH4 is low).

The bottom-line: folate helps boost alertness, attention, cognition, memory, and mood. And helps alleviate brain fog, anxiety and depression.

How does Vitamin B9 (Folate) feel?

Up to 60% of us do not produce enough of the enzyme needed to break down the synthetic folic acid found in supplements and fortified foods like breakfast cereal and bread. And the simple presence of this impostor in our diet is likely contributing to many of our modern diseases.

Neurohackers report that dosing with methyl-folate:

  • Boosts alertness and energy levels
  • Relief from chronic pain
  • Tolerance for heat increases
  • Sociability increases
  • Relief from depression, fatigue and paranoia
  • Fewer headaches
  • Mental clarity increases
  • Much happier, calmer, more energetic
  • Gingivitis and gum inflammation decreases

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Vitamin B9 (Folate) Clinical Research

Folate as an Antidepressant

Many who use antidepressants experience little to no relief in depressive symptoms. And researchers set out to find out why antidepressant meds were not working.

Dr. Jerome Sarris of the University of Melbourne decided to do a meta-analysis of clinical trials using ‘nutrients’ along with antidepressants in PubMed, CINAHL, Cochrane Library, and Web of Science up to 2015.

The research team found that Omega-3’s combined with antidepressants boosted the success of using these meds for depression. The team also found strong evidence for methyl folate, Vitamin D, and SAMe.

The research showed that using folic acid or inositol provided no benefit. The team concluded there was strong evidence for using methyl folate, Omega-3, Vitamin D and SAMe with antidepressants to reduce depression.[xi]

Another study in Milan compared using methyl-folate with the antidepressant Trazadone. 96 patients with dementia received either 50 mg of methyl-folate per day, or 100 mg of Trazadone.

After 4 weeks of treatment, depression scores for the methyl-folate patients decreased more than for the Trazadone patients.[xii]

Folate Reduces Risk for Dementia

Folate deficiency is associated with a tripling in the risk of developing dementia among elderly people. Researchers tracked 518 people over the age of 65 for 2 years for dementia development. The study found that the onset of dementia was much more likely in those whose folate levels fell over 2 years.[xiii]

Another study published in the British Medical Journal looked at the neurological status of 24 folate-deficient patients compared with a control group of 21 normal folate-level patients.

The study showed a significant increase in organic brain syndrome in the folate-deficient group.[xiv] Organic brain syndrome is a general term used to describe decreased mental function caused by something other than psychiatric illness.

Vitamin B9 (Folic Acid) Improves Memory

A study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association evaluated nutritional status and cognitive function in 260 men and women older than 60 years. The study showed there was a significant relation between impaired abstract thinking ability and memory, and lower folate levels and intake.[xv]

In another open study of 38 folate deficient subjects with depression, lethargy, and memory impairment, 50 mg of folinic acid per week for 120 days significantly improved visuomotor performance, visuospatial memory, logical reasoning, associative memory, and activities for daily living.[xvi]

Vitamin B9 (Folate) Recommended Dosage

Recommended dosage for Vitamin B9 (Folate) is 500 mcg.

If you decide to add folate to your nootropic stack, start with B12 in the form of methylcobalamin. And then introduce your dose of methyl-folate and cofactors such as Vitamin B2, Vitamin B3, Vitamin B6, trimethyl glycine, and Vitamin CVitamin B9 - Folate dosage

If you have an adverse reaction to methyl-folate (agitation, increased anxiety, headache), you can take Vitamin B3 (nicotinic acid or niacinamide) in 50 mg dosages every 30 minutes until you experience relief.

Note that Vitamin B3 (niacin) requires SAMe for its metabolism. And can contribute to a drop in methylation if you’re low in SAMe.  It is also a cofactor for the enzyme COMT that breaks down norepinephrine, epinephrine, and estrogen, which are all potentially elevated if you are experiencing anxiety.

Vitamin B9 (Folate) Side Effects

Vitamin B9 (Folate) is non-toxic. So is considered well-tolerated and safe.

But note that higher doses of Vitamin B9 like those used in clinical trials nearly always use synthetic folic acid. If you are deficient in Vitamin B12, and many people are, can manifest as anemia. And looks just like folate deficiency.

Large doses of folate could correct anemia. But without correcting an underlying B12 deficiency can leave you at risk for irreversible brain damage.

This is why the US Institute of Medicine advises that all adults limit their intake of folic acid supplements to 1 mg daily.

Note that it is unlikely that you’ll encounter this problem by using folate or methyl-folate instead of folic acid. But we don’t have the science yet to back this claim up.

High concentrations of unmetabolized folic acid in your blood, especially if you’re low in Vitamin B12, could result in a compromised immune system.  And problems with cognition.

Other side effects of using folic acid, particularly in high doses include stomach problems, insomnia, skin reactions, confusion, loss of appetite, nausea and seizures.

Many medications interfere with folic acid absorption including antibiotics, Dilantin, Daraprim, chemo meds, antacids, proton pump inhibitors, anti-seizure medications, NSAIDS (ibuprofen and naproxen), Azulfidine, and Methotrexate.

Vitamin B9 (Folate) types to buy

Vitamin B9 (Folate) is available in capsules, softgels, and in powder form.

Studies have shown that the active form of folate, methyl-folate, which is more easily absorbed, and easily crosses the blood-brain barrier, may be effective in the prevention and treatment of depression and dementia.[xvii]

Look for a folate supplement that says “L-methylfolate”, “5-methyltetrahydrofolate” or “5-MTHF” on the label. Even better, with the word Quatrefolic® or Metafolin® which are branded forms of folate ensuring their purity and effectiveness.

One great option to ensure you are getting all the vitamins and cofactors you need for the methylation cycle is to use a multivitamin.

And all multivitamins include some form of Vitamin B9 (folate) in their formula. But many of these multis don’t contain enough for optimum health. And the majority use the folic acid version of this nutrient.

The Performance Lab® NutriGenesis Multi offers a nature-identical form of Vitamin B9 (folate) and is now my favorite daily multivitamin/mineral supplement.

I prefer the Performance Lab® multi because it’s more potent, it’s biologically active and I’ve found to be a far more effective multi compared to every other multivitamin supplement I’ve ever used.

Performance Lab® uses their own priority NutriGenesis® vitamins and minerals which are grown on probiotic, plant and yeast cultures in a state-of-the-art lab.

Avoid any product, including multivitamins, which list “folic acid” on the label.

 Nootropics Expert Recommendation

Vitamin B9 (Folate) up to 500 mcg

Nootropics Expert Tested and ApprovedI recommend using Vitamin B9 (Folate) as a nootropic supplement.

Your body does not make Vitamin B9 on its own. So you must get folate from food or a supplement.

Vitamin B9 (Folate) is especially helpful for those suffering from anxiety, depression, panic attacks, or OCD. Folate can help reduce insomnia, and help increase energy levels.

Experience shows Vitamin B9 helps stop and reverse the symptoms associated with high homocysteine levels.

Vitamin B9 is also particularly helpful to quell anxiety caused by social situations.

Vitamin B9 can help you get a good night’s sleep. You may find it as effective as sleep meds and other nootropics used for sleep. You’ll awaken feeling refreshed and calm. Ready to start your day.

The recommended dosage of Vitamin B9 (Folate) is up to 1,000 mcg per day. Start low at 500 mcg and see how your body reacts.

Please refer to Dosage Notes in this article for adding the other B-Vitamins to your stack for an optimal methylation cycle. Your neurotransmitters are counting on it.

At the very minimum every neurohacker should be using a multivitamin every day that includes Vitamin B9 (folate but NOT folic acid!). The best multi I’ve found and use every day is the Performance Lab® NutriGenesis Multi for men or women.

REFERENCES

[i] Selhub J. “Folate, vitamin B12 and vitamin B6 and one carbon metabolism.” Journal of Nutrition, Health and Aging. 2002;6(1):39-42. (source)

 

[ii] Powers H.J. “Folic acid under scrutiny.” British Journal of Nutrition 2007 Oct;98(4):665-6 (source)

 

[iii] Troen A.M. et. Al. “Unmetabolized Folic Acid in Plasma Is Associated with Reduced Natural Killer Cell Cytotoxicity among Postmenopausal Women” The Journal of Nutrition January 2006 vol. 136 no. 1 189-194 (source)

 

[iv] Miller A.L. “The Methylation, Neurotransmitter, and Antioxidant Connections Between Folate and Depression” Alternative Medicine Review Volume 13, Number 3 2008 (source)

 

[v] Gilbody S., Lewis S., Lightfoot T.  “Methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR) genetic polymorphisms and psychiatric disorders: a HuGE review.” American Journal of Epidemiology. 2007 Jan 1;165(1):1-13 (source)

 

[vi] Miller A.L. “The methylation, neurotransmitter, and antioxidant connections between folate and depression.” Alternative Medicine Review. 2008 Sep;13(3):216-26. (source)

 

[vii] Reynolds E.H., Carney M.W., Toone B.K. “Methylation and mood.” Lancet. 1984 Jul 28;2(8396):196-8. (source)

 

[viii] Bottiglieri T., Crellin R., Reynolds E.H. ‘Folate and neuropsychiatry’. In: Bailey LB, editor. Folate in health and disease. New York: Marcel Dekker; 1995. pp. 435–462

 

[ix] Bottiglieri T., Godfrey P., Flynn T., Carney M.W., Toone B.K., Reynolds E.H. “Cerebrospinal fluid S-adenosylmethionine in depression and dementia: effects of treatment with parenteral and oral S-adenosylmethionine.” Journal of Neurology and Neurosurgery Psychiatry. 1990 Dec;53(12):1096-8. (source)

 

[x] Nikkanen J., et. Al. “Mitochondrial DNA Replication Defects Disturb Cellular dNTP Pools and Remodel One-Carbon Metabolism” Cell Metabolism Volume 23, Issue 4, p635–648 (source)

 

[xi] Sarris J., Murphy J., Mischoulon D. Papakostas G.I., Fava M., Berk M. Ng C.H. “Adjunctive Nutraceuticals for Depression: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analyses” The American Journal of Psychiatry Volume 173, Issue 6, June 01, 2016, pp. 575-587 (source)

 

[xii] Passeri M., Cucinotta D., Abate G., Senin U., Ventura A., Stramba Badiale M., Diana R., La Greca P., Le Grazie C. “Oral 5'-methyltetrahydrofolic acid in senile organic mental disorders with depression: results of a double-blind multicenter study.” Aging (Milano). 1993 Feb;5(1):63-71. (source)

 

[xiii] “Folate Deficiency Associated With Tripling Of Dementia Risk, Study Shows” Science Daily February 5, 2008 retrieved November 15, 2016 (source)

 

[xiv] Reynolds E.H., Rothfeld P., Pincus J.H. “Neurological disease associated with folate deficiency.” British Medical Journal. 1973 May 19;2(5863):398-400 (source)

 

[xv] Goodwin J.S., Goodwin J.M., Garry P.J. “Association between nutritional status and cognitive functioning in a healthy elderly population.” JAMA. 1983 Jun 3;249(21):2917-21. (source)

 

[xvi] Rapin J.R., Le Poncin M., Grebyl J. “Blood folate deficiencies and cognitive functions in aging.” Trends in Biomedical and Gerontology. 1988;1:221–223.

 

[xvii] Mischoulon D., Raab M.F. “The role of folate in depression and dementia.” Journal of Clinical Psychiatry. 2007;68 Suppl 10:28-33. (source)

 

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Comments

  1. Avatar for JozefJozef says

    October 10, 2022 at 12:36 pm

    Hi David, please can you advise me how my uncle could improve his memory? He is very forgetful, he doesn’t often remember things that happened five minutes ago. Well thank you.

    Reply
    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      October 10, 2022 at 3:32 pm

      Jozef, there is not simple solution to restoring memory loss. But these two articles can get you started:

      https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-learning-and-memory/

      https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-memory-supplements-to-buy/

      Reply
  2. Avatar for JozefJozef says

    September 27, 2022 at 3:07 am

    Hi David, is this good choice? Life Extension BioActive B-Complex

    Reply
    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      September 27, 2022 at 3:29 pm

      Jozef, yes and I recommend this B-Complex all the time.

      Reply
  3. Avatar for RagnarRagnar says

    September 10, 2022 at 9:35 am

    Good evening! I’m curious why mind lab pro or Qualia mind does not content Folate that much.Is there any Interaction with Nootropics or something! Many stacks seems to avoid it or put just 25% of daily need but why?

    Thanks David wish you best!

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      September 13, 2022 at 4:24 pm

      Ragnar, not sure about Qualia but Mind Lab Pro contains enough methylfolate to support the use of N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine as a precursor to the synthesis of dopamine. Because B9 is a cofactor in the synthesis of dopamine. It is not meant to restore an overall folate deficiency.

      If that is what you need I highly recommend the best Multi on the planet. The Performance Lab NutriGenesis Multi for men (https://bit.ly/347dm5M) contains 668 mg of methylfolate which is 167% of the RDA.

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  4. Avatar for MelMel says

    August 31, 2022 at 6:41 pm

    Hi David,

    My son has the MTHFR C677T gene (homozygous). He also suffers from OCD, tics and ADHD (thus low serotonin). Dr. William Walsh states that those undermethylated and have low serotonin cannot tolerate a folate supplement because it can worsen their condition. Is this true?

    Here is a quote from his website:

    “Although most undermethylated patients thrive on folates, supplements of folates must be avoided for patients whose problems are dominated by low activity at serotonin receptors. Folic acid, folinic acid, and methylfolate all reduce serotonin/dopamine neurotransmission by an epigenetic mechanism, and this effect overwhelms the folate benefits of improved methylation and serotonin synthesis.”

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      September 1, 2022 at 4:58 pm

      Mel, those with the MTHFR C677T mutation have a reduced ability to convert folic acid into its active form, L-methylfolate. So the key is to use natural L-methylfolate but keep the dose under 400 mcg.

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  5. Avatar for JamesJames says

    July 15, 2022 at 10:40 pm

    Hi Dave,

    You said towards the start of this article that people often confuse folate with folic acid and that they are not the same.

    I looked at the labels of Vitamin B complex supplements I’ve tried and they all had Vitamin B9 listed as “Folic Acid” not as Folate.

    Does this mean that I haven’t been actually getting Vitamin B9 from these supplements, or just not the “proper” form of Vitamin B9?

    Would the dosage recommendation change for Folic Acid instead of Folate?

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      July 17, 2022 at 3:30 pm

      James, I do not recommend folic acid period. Because it is synthetic. And your body needs to try and convert it to Methylfolate before it can be used by your body and brain.

      Since we have the choice to buy either folic acid OR Methylfolate why not get the latter so your system does not need to try and convert it? This is the B-Complex use that contains Methylfolate: https://nootropicsexpert.com/go/life-extension-bioactive-b-complex/

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  6. Avatar for MichaelMichael says

    June 6, 2022 at 7:41 am

    Hi David!

    Is there any b6 b9 b12 ratio to follow?

    My total daily intake of those 3 is:

    B6 (P5P) – 46,3mg

    B9 (5MTHF) – 1400ug

    B12 (methyl cob) – 205ug

    Could this ratio hurt me? And throw my homocysteine out of balance? Common wisdom says that body will expel any B vitamin overload???

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      June 6, 2022 at 2:47 pm

      Michael, there really isn’t any established ‘ratio’ for those 3 B-Vitamins. They just need to be available in your system to keep homocysteine in check. Your body will expel what it doesn’t need.

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      • Avatar for MichaelMichael says

        June 6, 2022 at 3:14 pm

        So I should’t worry about that 1400ug 5MTHF Folate?

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        • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

          June 7, 2022 at 2:22 pm

          No you shouldn’t because that is exact form of folate your body and brain expects.

          Reply
  7. Avatar for SuziSuzi says

    March 16, 2022 at 4:22 pm

    Hi David, I’ve just gotten my newest blood labs back. I want to preface with information that I had RNY gastric surgery back in 2001. I have not had any problems (i’ve been lucky) But I have kept and eye on things as much as possible. I DID have re-gain about 15 yrs after my surgery – I became very lax & My Type2 Diabetes came roaring back. A year ago, I started a Ketogenic way of eating, and then because I still cannot eat a lot – I decided to go Carnivore – which I have been on for a year and love very much. However my latest labs – though showing amazing improvement in my blood lipids – show that my total protein was low and my serum folate is low. I found this a bit confounding since I do eat clean carnivore. The only think I can think of is that as a result of the RNY surgery so long ago – I am either having malabsortion issues or i’m not eating enough. To be sure many times, I don’t eat enough (not by choice) Please do you have any advice? Thank you

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      March 17, 2022 at 4:25 pm

      Suzi, I am not a doctor nor have a played one on TV. But from a layman’s perceptive is sounds like you have absorption issues! Which is no surprise. Best thing for you to do is start using a highly bioactive Multivitamin like this one: https://bit.ly/2EIyhCA

      And you may want to start using a high quality protein supplement which you’ll find in the Sports section of your local vitamin shop.

      Reply
  8. Avatar for MattDMattD says

    January 23, 2022 at 10:14 am

    Hi David,

    What are your thoughts on Folinic Acid?? I mentioned in your GABA review that I took a high dose of Methyltetrahydrofolate (2-3mg) and it still has me messed up. I’ve had ringing in my ear and increased alertness since last week along with a few nights of no sleep. I’m tying folinic acid in the short term.. I take SAMEe daily so I know the need for B9 that goes with it.

    Is it possible that too much folate is still hanging around in my head a week later?? Should I avoid methylfolate for a while??

    Thanks

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      January 23, 2022 at 4:42 pm

      Matt, please carefully read this entire review for B9 from top to bottom. And pay special attention to the last couple of paragraphs in the “Overview“, ALL of the section called “Vitamin B9 (Folate) Recommended Dosage“. and the “Side Effects” section.

      You are messing with methylation which can cause huge problems when you use the wrong form and using it in isolation (i.e., without the support of Vitamin B2, Vitamin B3, Vitamin B6, methylcobalamin, and Vitamin C).

      I’m thinking that rather than “too much folate is still hanging around” the problem is more than likely an imbalance of these nutrients which messes with your methylation cycle.

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      • Avatar for MattDMattD says

        January 24, 2022 at 10:47 am

        Right, agreed thanks David . The high dose B9 threw things out of balance for sure.

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  9. Avatar for KimKim says

    January 19, 2022 at 3:22 pm

    Second question. I upgraded my B supplements in the last month to the methyl type. I have also been taking Mucuna for the past two years for Parkinsons Dementia symptoms (along with a host of other supplements) and have been doing much better. However, in recent weeks I’ve been feeling manic, anxious, and having trouble sleeping. Is it possible that there’s a connection between these methyl B’s and dopamine levels? I’m thinking I’ll experiment by reducing mucuna and see if these new symptoms subside. Just wanted you thoughts on that possible connection. Thank you again.

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      January 19, 2022 at 4:05 pm

      Kim, folate is the same thing as methyl-folate as long as that is what is listed on the supplement facts label. But some manufacturers are dishonest about how they list this and try to fool you by first listing “folate” and then in (folic acid).

      I think you are correct because the bio-active versions of these vitamins are instantly recognized by your body as the real deal and uses them. Synthetic vitamins on the other hand get excreted in urine unused. And Vitamins B6, B9, & B12 are cofactors in the synthesis of dopamine from L-DOPA. So when using genuine, bio-active B-Vitamins chances are your Mucuna will be more effective.

      Reply
  10. Avatar for KimKim says

    January 19, 2022 at 2:46 pm

    My current multi contains folate, but not methylfolate. Is that acceptable since I supplement through the day with methyl B’s?

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  11. Avatar for FionaFiona says

    January 12, 2022 at 7:55 am

    Hi David!

    I take a good multivitamin which has folic acid in it. I’m considering getting mindlab pro – would I need to stop taking the folic acid for the folate in that to be effective? E.g. does the artificial folic acid get in the way of the good folate?

    thanks!

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      January 12, 2022 at 5:45 pm

      Fiona, great question and I highly recommend replacing your multivitamin with a multi that uses bioactive vitamins and chelated minerals instead of synthetic like you are currently using.

      Your body cannot convert synthetic vitamins into a type of nutrient it can use. Folic acid attaches to folate receptors which blocks methylfolate from attaching. And you end up with a folate deficiency because the multi you are using will not let the real thing do its job.

      Please please change your multivitamin. I recommend the Performance Lab NutriGenesis Multi for women (https://bit.ly/2EIyhCA). If you decide on something else then make sure it contains folate or methylfolate and methylcobalamin rather than cyanocobalamin (which contains a cyanide molecule).

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      • Avatar for FionaFiona says

        January 13, 2022 at 12:06 pm

        thanks so much David!!!

        What is so ironic is I have persistently low folate so have been prescribed a few courses of high dose folic acid over the last few years. No wonder it’s never improved!!!!

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  12. Avatar for Andrew RichardsonAndrew Richardson says

    October 9, 2021 at 7:44 am

    Would you say we get enough Folate in our diet I don’t eat many fresh vegetables, Maybe at dinner 3 times per week I do eat Avocados a few times a week not daily and most Folate comes from Fresh Green plant food yes I eat very little

    So Would taking active Folate every 3 Days be safe at 1000MG
    would have folate just flush out if taking too much?

    I do take Multivitimes B but gives too much energy sometimes

    Also, does Folate have Any effect on Gaba in the brain?

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      October 11, 2021 at 2:36 pm

      Andrew, the maximum recommended dosage for methylfolate is 0.5 mg per day. Or 500 mcg per day. 1,000 mg per day is overdosing it in the extreme.

      Chances are you are deficient in Vitamin B9 (methylfolate) and the problem is we get plenty of synthetic folic acid in processed foods, breads, etc. which plugs up folate receptors. So the real methylfolate doesn’t have anything to attach to because folic acid is already there.

      And while folate does not directly affect GABA, a deficiency or excess of folate gets out of sync with Vitamin B12 causing further problems.

      Your best and safest option is to use a high quality, bioactive B-Complex or multivitamin and keep these vitamins and mineral in balance.

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      • Avatar for KellyKelly says

        July 24, 2022 at 3:37 pm

        “1,000 mg per day (of methylfolate) is overdosing it in the extreme.”

        Thanks Dave, that was funny.

        Reply
  13. Avatar for GehadGehad says

    August 17, 2021 at 2:54 pm

    Mr David.
    First of all thank you for your effort.

    I want to know if it safe to take Atomox 40mg twise a day + Huperzine-A 200 mcg + folate 800 mcg as Metafolin® ( L-5-MTHF ) + B12 800mcg as methylcoblamin

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    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      August 18, 2021 at 3:10 pm

      Gehad, I am not familiar with Atomox. What is it and how does it work?

      Huperzine-A should only be used every 2nd or 3rd day because it has a 24 hour half-life. If you use it everyday it will build up in your system to toxic levels fairly quickly.

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      • Avatar for GehadGehad says

        August 19, 2021 at 8:42 am

        Mr David, thank you for your response
        * Atomix is used to increase serotonin and norepinephrine to treat ADHD and i need to use gingko and the nootropics mentioned in the first comment but my dr isn’t familiar to nootropics at all and he told me not to use any thing that miss with serotonin & dopamine & epinephrine so is it safe and i’ll take Huperzine-A with caution.

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        • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

          August 20, 2021 at 3:05 pm

          Gehad, your brain requires Vitamins B6, B9 & B12 as cofactors to make dopamine and epinephrine. Your doctor likely warned you not to mess with serotonin & dopamine & epinephrine because that is what Atomix affects.

          The thing is if Atomix acts as an SNRI it needs enough serotonin and norepinephrine to work efficiently. If your brain does not have adequate amounts of these two neurotransmitters the drug cannot do its job very well.

          This is the reason I developed a nootropic stack to support my use of Ritalin 12 years ago. See my ADHD article on how it works here: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-adhd-add/. That may apply to Atomix like it does for Ritalin and Adderall.

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  14. Avatar for VivekVivek says

    August 13, 2021 at 7:57 pm

    Hi David did l methylfolate helps me for motivation and which nootropic is best with l methylfolate

    Reply
    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      August 15, 2021 at 4:32 pm

      Vivek, it’s best to use methylfolate with Vitamin B6 and Vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin) to keep homocysteine in check. If you are deficient in either of those two while using folate you will likely experience increases in homocysteine which is very bad and can eventually result in things like heart attacks.

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  15. Avatar for AlexAlex says

    July 20, 2021 at 9:14 am

    Greetings David!

    You have not included B10 vitamin “PABA” does it matter? Or effect is too small to be worth it. Have a great day! 🙂

    Reply
    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      July 21, 2021 at 3:00 pm

      Alex, there is not enough clinical evidence demonstrating PABA benefiting the human brain to warrant trying to write a review about it.

      Reply
  16. Avatar for TomTom says

    July 17, 2021 at 10:52 pm

    The references or footnotes for folate are missing on this page.

    Reply
    • Avatar for David TomenDavid Tomen says

      July 21, 2021 at 1:49 pm

      Tom, the endnotes are there. You’ll find “REFERENCES” under the green box above. Click on that and the accordion drops down revealing the endnotes.

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