5-HTP helps fibromyalgia

5-HTP

David Tomen
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5-HTP is known for relieving depression and anxiety, fibromyalgia, insomnia, migraines, obesity, and symptoms of Parkinson’s Disease

5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan or oxitriptan) is an amino acid that is naturally produced in your body. 5-HTP is synthesized from the amino acid tryptophan which we get from food.

5-HTP is the immediate precursor of serotonin. And as a nootropic and dietary supplement, 5-HTP is popular with those who advocate its effectiveness in treating depression. Along with a number of other serotonin-related diseases.

But using 5-HTP for treating depression and anxiety is not supported by science. The research is contrary to how 5-HTP is viewed by many, including medical doctors.

When we dig into the research, we find that 5-HTP may be contraindicated for depression in those whom marketers advocate its use.[i]

We’re all for boosting neurotransmitter levels and optimizing cognitive performance here at Nootropics Expert®. But now and again I run into a nootropic or dietary supplement that may be popular. But also may be a particularly bad idea.

We’re going to get to the bottom of how 5-HTP works in your brain in this review. We’ll examine why it’s critical for brain health. And reasons why you may want to find another way to boost serotonin levels in your brain.

5-HTP helps:

  • Anxiety & Depression. 5-HTP is synthesized into serotonin in brain cells. Elevating levels of serotonin can help relieve the symptoms of anxiety and depression.
  • Neurotransmitters. 5-HTP is a necessary ingredient for serotonin synthesis which boosts mood and social behavior, improves memory, regulates appetite and digestion, sleep, sexual desire and function.
  • Brain Optimization. A critical balance of the primary neurotransmitters serotonin and dopamine are needed for the highly optimized brain. When these neurotransmitters are not in balance it affects mood, memory, cognition, decision-making, sexual desire, and a host of other critical life functions.

Overview

5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan or oxitriptan) is an amino acid that’s synthesized from the essential amino acid tryptophan.

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5-HTP

Tryptophan is hydroxylated by tryptophan hydroxylase to 5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan), then decarboxylated to serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine or 5-HT).[ii]

Tryptophan → 5-HTP → serotonin

80-90% of your body’s serotonin is made in your intestines. But serotonin cannot cross the blood-brain barrier. So all the serotonin that your brain needs has to be made within the brain. This is where 5-HTP comes in…

5-HTP crosses the blood-brain barrier more readily than tryptophan. And gets synthesized into serotonin at a faster rate than from tryptophan.[iii]

As a neurotransmitter, serotonin influences directly and indirectly, the majority of brain cells. So if you want to boost serotonin in your brain, some find that supplementing with 5-HTP is better than taking tryptophan.

Tryptophan, which your body uses to make 5-HTP, can be found in turkey, chicken, milk, potatoes, pumpkin, sunflower seeds, turnip and collard greens, and seaweed.

5-HTP as a nootropic supplement is a naturally occurring amino acid derived from seed pods of Griffonia simplicifolia, found in West and Central Africa. 5-HTP content in extracts of this plant vary from 2 – 20.83% (from seeds obtained in Ghana).[iv]

5-HTP nootropic for depression

How does 5-HTP work in the Brain?

5-HTP is a precursor to serotonin. The neurotransmitter serotonin plays a role in sleep, appetite, learning & memory, mood, and sexual function.

When tryptophan’s role in converting to 5-HTP for boosting serotonin doesn’t work efficiently, the result is often depression, chronic headache and insomnia.

An open-label trial was conducted in Italy to determine the efficacy of using 5-HTP in young subjects with high levels of “romantic stress”.

Serotonin has been linked to human romantic attachment. So researchers in this study set out to determine brain levels of Brain-Derived Neurotrophic Factor (BDNF) and serotonin in relation to changes in romantic stress during the study.

15 healthy subjects (mean age 23.3 years) who had a “romantic breakup” took part in the study. Participants received 60 mg of Griffonia simplicifolia extract containing 12.8 mg 5-HTP daily for 6 weeks.

The subjects were evaluated for BDNF and serotonin levels at the beginning of the study, at 3 weeks and then again at the end of the 6-week trial.

The scientists observed significant improvements in romantic stress scores from weeks 0 through 3. So far, 5-HTP seems to be working. But no further improvement was seen from weeks 3 through 6. Even though the young people had significantly higher levels of BDNF and serotonin.[v]

More Involved in Depression and Stress than Serotonin

This “romantic breakup” study is a classic illustration of why using 5-HTP alone to treat depression and stress may not work. And if it does work, why it may not work for long.

5-HTP for romantic stress

Depression is often more than simple serotonin dysfunction. Depression can also be associated with catecholamine dysfunction, including dopamine and/or norepinephrine. Or a combination of serotonin and catecholamine dysfunction.

When you take 5-HTP alone, you are also depleting dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine. Synthesis of serotonin from 5-HTP, and dopamine from L-DOPA is catalyzed by the same enzyme, L-aromatic amino acid decarboxylase (AAAD).

Dopamine and serotonin precursor supplementation must be taken in proper balance. Because when you use only 5-HTP, it dominates dopamine at the AAAD enzyme synthesis level.

Blocking dopamine synthesis at the AAAD enzyme through competitive inhibition will lead to depletion of dopamine and the rest of the catecholamines.[vi]

Going back to our Italian study of young people dealing with “romantic stress”, the subjects stopped responding to 5-HTP in the 2nd half of the study. Likely because their catecholamines became depleted through continuous 5-HTP supplementation.

Studies have found that when dopamine is depleted enough, 5-HTP will no longer function.[vii]

Catecholamine Dysfunction Affects More Than Just Depression

When catecholamine neurotransmitter levels (dopamine and/or norepinephrine) influence depression, supplementing with 5-HTP alone is not the way to go. Because you may deplete dopamine and norepinephrine, worsening the disease and its underlying cause.

But this contraindication is not exclusive to depression. It extends to all other diseases where catecholamine dysfunction has been implicated. Including ADHD[viii], obesity, anxiety, seasonal affective disorder  (SAD), and Parkinson’s Disease.[ix]

How things go bad

5-HTP boosts serotonin levelsAmino acid precursors of serotonin (i.e. 5-HTP) and dopamine (i.e. L-Tyrosine) work together during synthesis, metabolism and transport to the point that they function as one system.

When serotonin and dopamine are properly balanced, functions that are regulated only by serotonin, can be regulated by manipulating dopamine levels. And functions regulated only by dopamine in this balanced state can be regulated by manipulating serotonin.[x]

When you mess with this balance and improperly supplement with serotonin or dopamine precursors, you don’t get the desired effect of using that nootropic. And you increase the possibility of side effects with too much serotonin.

If you supplement with only one precursor (i.e. 5-HTP to boost serotonin) that dominates the other system (i.e. dopamine synthesis), depletion of the dominated system will occur (i.e. depleted dopamine).

And if this effect is pronounced enough, you will not get the benefit you were aiming for when supplementing with the original precursor (i.e. 5-HTP).

A powerful example of this effect is in the management of Parkinson’s Disease where the effects of L-DOPA are no longer observed over time due to serotonin depletion.[xi]

Since serotonin and dopamine cannot cross the blood-brain barrier, the number of serotonin and dopamine molecules in the brain is a function of the amount of nutrients (amino acid precursors) that are available to be synthesized into new neurotransmitter molecules.

Optimizing brain function with minimal side effects is NOT a function of supplementing until you get sufficiently high amino acid levels. It’s a function of achieving the proper balance between serotonin and dopamine.

5-HTP improves mood

5-HTP benefits

5-HTP is absolutely critical for synthesis of serotonin in your brain. But supplementing with 5-HTP to boost serotonin does not work well.

Using 5-HTP to treat depression has had very little success over the last few decades of clinical trials and biohacking.

Integrating 5-HTP into your nootropic stack is much more complicated than simply adding some 5-HTP in order to boost serotonin.

5-HTP alone will not work for depression, or any other issue you’re dealing with involving the catecholamines (dopamine, norepinephrine, epinephrine) because of 5-HTP’s tendency to deplete those neurotransmitters.

5-HTP will boost serotonin in your brain.[xii] But 5-HTP must be carefully stacked with precursors for dopamine and norepinephrine or you risk making the situation worse.

You must avoid supplementing with only one of the serotonin or dopamine amino acid precursors. When amino acid precursors are not in balance, you end up with decreased effectiveness of that nootropic, increased side effects, and depletion of the non-dominant system.

How does 5-HTP feel?

Reactions to supplementing with 5-HTP vary considerably but the one consistent theme is initial feelings of well-being, better sleep, less need for sleep, improved mood, less social anxiety, lower appetite, improved tolerance for stress and improved cognitive function.5-HTP helps fibromyalgia

And after a couple of weeks of dosing 5-HTP  – side effects begin. Serotonin overload results in dopamine and norepinephrine depletion.

Side effects include feelings of lethargy, depression, brain fog, stomach pain, and possibly a chronic tension type of headache. Worst case scenario is nausea, vomiting and even blacking out.

Neurohackers who report consistent success supplementing with 5-HTP stack it with B-Vitamins, a dopamine precursor like L-Tyrosine, and only use 5-HTP as needed.

Those who have a bad experience with 5-HTP from the start often have no idea why they’ve reacted badly. But an educated guess is their depression was catecholamine (dopamine, norepinephrine, epinephrine)-related. And boosting serotonin made their dopamine-related issues worse. Very quickly.

One huge word of WARNING: Do NOT take 5-HTP with any antidepressant medication. You put yourself in the very real danger of Serotonin Syndrome which can ultimately kill you.

does 5-htp work for depression?

5-HTP Clinical Research

5-HTP supplements are heavily marketed as a natural remedy for depression. But the science does not support using 5-HTP for depression. We have decades of clinical trials available. And there is no evidence of the efficacy in using 5-HTP for depression.

5-HTP instead of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors

The Department of Public Health at the University of Queensland Medical School in Australia did a systematic review of literature dating from 1966 – 2000 for “5-HTP” and “depression”.

The researchers found 108 clinical studies of which only 2 studies, one with serotonin (5-HT) and one with L-Tryptophan for a total of 64 patients met sufficient quality criteria to be included. These studies suggest serotonin (5-HT) and L-Tryptophan are better than placebo at alleviating depression.

But the researchers noted “the small size of the studies, and the large number of inadmissible, poorly executed studies, cast doubt on the results from potential publication bias, and suggests that they are insufficiently evaluated to assess their effectiveness.”[xiii]

5-HTP for Fibromyalgia

A double blind controlled study in Italy studied the efficacy of using 5-HTP in treating fibromyalgia symptoms.

50 patients with primary fibromyalgia syndrome were selected for this study. This 1990 study did not publish the amount of 5-HTP used. But the researchers found a significant improvement in fibromyalgia symptoms with only mild and transient side effects.[xiv]

5-HTP for Treatment of Depression

Insufficient activity of the neurotransmitters serotonin and norepinephrine is a central element of the model of depression most widely held by neurobiologists today.

In the late 1970’s and 1980’s, numerous studies were performed in which depressed patients were treated with the serotonin precursors L-Tryptophan and 5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), and the dopamine and norepinephrine precursors Tyrosine and L-Phenylalanine.

A summary published in the Alternative Medicine Revue looked at the data from all these studies. The author noted that the nature of the studies makes it difficult to draw firm conclusions regarding the efficacy of neurotransmitter precursors for treating depression.

While there is evidence that precursor loading could work, particularly for serotonin precursor 5-HTP, more studies of suitable design and size “might lead to more conclusive results”.[xv]

Those studies have not materialized since that report was published 22 years ago.

5-HTP Recommended Dosage

Recommended dosage of 5-HTP if you’re going to try it is 50 mg 1 – 3 times per day.5-HTP nootropic dosage

Some studies have used higher doses than the recommended dose, but 5-HTP can be toxic for your central nervous system at high doses.

For anxiety or depression, 5-HTP is dosed at 150 – 300 mg per day total.

To relieve post MDMA (Ecstasy) depression, 5-HTP 100 mg on Day 3-7 after MDMA use.[xvi]

Successfully supplementing with 5-HTP requires stacking it with a dopamine precursor like L-Tyrosine or L-DOPA along with B-Vitamins (for synthesis), and one of the sulfur-containing amino acids (methionine, cysteine, homocysteine, or taurine).

And you must monitor the effects this stack is having on your body. If you start experiencing side effects of any kind, it’s a good indication that either serotonin or dopamine is out of balance.

DO NOT combine 5-HTP with any kind of antidepressant medication.

Combining SSRI’s, Tricyclics or MAOI’s with 5-HTP will cause Serotonin Syndrome. An extremely dangerous condition involving severe mental changes, hot flashes, rapidly fluctuating blood pressure and heart rate, and possibly coma leading to death.

Serotonin Syndrome can kill you. And I’m not kidding here.

5-HTP Side Effects

5-HTP supplementation can cause heartburn, heart palpitations, headache, stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, drowsiness, sexual problems and muscle issues.

5-HTP can also cause some pretty radical mood changes including agitation, aggressiveness, anxiety, euphoria, poor decision-making, irritability, psychosis, restlessness and insomnia.

5-HTP can make the symptoms of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and other mental disorders worse.

Serotonin Syndrome

And I can’t emphasize this enough so I’m going to repeat it here in case you missed it…

DO NOT combine 5-HTP with any kind of antidepressant medication. Or with carbidopa. 

Combining SSRI’s, Tricyclics or MAOI’s with 5-HTP will cause Serotonin Syndrome. An extremely dangerous condition involving severe mental changes, hot flashes, rapidly fluctuating blood pressure and heart rate, and possibly coma.

And combining 5-HTP with carbidopa also has the potential of causing Serotonin Syndrome.

Serotonin Syndrome can kill you. And I’m not kidding here.

Type of 5-HTP to Buy

5-HTP is made from tryptophan in your body.

5-HTP as a nootropic supplement is made from extracts of the African tree Griffonia simplicifolia. 5-HTP supplements are typically in tablet or capsule form.

You’ll often find 5-HTP in many ready-made vitamin and herbal formulas.

If you are going to stack low-dose 5-HTP with L-Tyrosine I suggest: Natrol 5-HTP Fast Dissolve Tablets (Amazon). Cut the 100 mg tablet into quarters using a pill splitter and dissolve 25 mg 5-HTP under your tongue (sublingually).

Nootropics Expert Recommendation

5-HTP 50 mg up to 3-times per day

Nootropics Expert - Tested and Not ApprovedI DO NOT recommend using 5-HTP as a nootropic supplement.

Your body does synthesize 5-HTP on its own to make serotonin in your brain. And you can’t get 5-HTP from food. But you can get L-Tryptophan from food which is synthesized into 5-HTP in your body.

5-HTP may help you if you’re dealing with depression. But you must stack if with a dopamine amino acid precursor along with B-Vitamins and a sulfur-containing amino acid. See the “5-HTP Recommended Dosage” in this review above.

IF you are going to try 5-HTP, I suggest starting with a dose of more than 50 mg daily. You may want to take it in the evening because it could help sleep disorders.

Short-term dosing of 5-HTP of no more than 2 weeks seems to provide the most benefit if you’re going to benefit from this nootropic.

Or try using 5-HTP only on an “as needed” basis. For a mood boost, reduce social anxiety, and provide a short-term boost in cognition.

5-HTP supplementation on its own is NOT recommended. Nor is it recommended for long-term use.

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[i] Hinz M., Stein A., Uncini T. “5-HTP efficacy and contraindications.”Neuropsychiatric Disease and Treatment. 2012;8:323-8. (source)

[ii] Turner E.H., Loftis J.M., Blackwell A.D. “Serotonin a la carte: supplementation with the serotonin precursor 5-hydroxytryptophan.”Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 2006 Mar;109(3):325-38. (source)

[iii] Birdsall T.C. “5-Hydroxytryptophan: a clinically-effective serotonin precursor.” Alternative Medicine Revue. 1998 Aug;3(4):271-80. (source)

[iv] Lemaire P.A., Adosraku R.K. “An HPLC method for the direct assay of the serotonin precursor, 5-hydroxytrophan, in seeds of Griffonia simplicifolia.” Phytochemical Analysis. 2002 Nov-Dec;13(6):333-7. (source)

[v] Emanuele E., Bertona M., Minoretti P., Geroldi D. “An open-label trial of L-5-hydroxytryptophan in subjects with romantic stress.” Neuro Endocrinology Letters. 2010;31(5):663-6. (source)

[vi] Hinz M., Stein A., Uncini T. “APRESS: apical regulatory super system, serotonin, and dopamine interaction.” Neuropsychiatric Disease and Treatment. 2011;7:457-63. (source)

[vii] Hinz M., Stein A., Uncini T. “Relative nutritional deficiencies associated with centrally acting monoamines.” International Journal of General Medicine. 2012;5:413-30 (source)

[viii] van Praag H.M. “n search of the mode of action of antidepressants. 5-HTP/tyrosine mixtures in depressions.”Neuropharmacology. 1983 Mar;22(3 Spec No):433-40. (source)

[ix] Hinz M., Stein A., Uncini T. “5-HTP efficacy and contraindications”Neuropsychiatric Disease and Treatment. 2012; 8: 323–328. (source)

[x] Hinz M., Stein A., Uncini T. “APRESS: apical regulatory super system, serotonin, and dopamine interaction.” Neuropsychiatric Disease and Treatment. 2011;7:457-63. (source)

[xi] Hinz M., Stein A., Uncini T. “Amino acid management of Parkinson’s disease: a case study” International Journal of General Medicine. 2011; 4: 165–174. (source)

[xii] Birdsall T.C. “5-Hydroxytryptophan: a clinically-effective serotonin precursor.” Alternative Medicine Revue. 1998 Aug;3(4):271-80. (source)

[xiii] Shaw K., Turner J., Del Mar C. “Are tryptophan and 5-hydroxytryptophan effective treatments for depression? A meta-analysis.” Australia and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry. 2002 Aug;36(4):488-91. (source)

[xiv] Caruso I., Sarzi Puttini P., Cazzola M., Azzolini V. “Double-blind study of 5-hydroxytryptophan versus placebo in the treatment of primary fibromyalgia syndrome.” Journal of International Medical Research. 1990 May-Jun;18(3):201-9. (source)

[xv] Meyers S. “Use of neurotransmitter precursors for treatment of depression.” Alternative Medicine Revue. 2000 Feb;5(1):64-71. (source)

[xvi]Wang X., Baumann M.H., Dersch C.M., Rothman R.B. “Restoration of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine-induced 5-HT depletion by the administration of L-5-hydroxytryptophan.” Neuroscience. 2007 Aug 10;148(1):212-20. (source)

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Sia
July 7, 2021

Hi David,

I started taking 5HTP since January this year 100mg x 2 a day, along with Tyrosine 500mg x 2 a day, but i just feel my mood is still low and unmotivated :(. Sleep is also poor

Also taking NAC, B Complex, Fish Oil, Vitamin D, L-Theanine, Glutamine, Glycine, Magnesium Glycinate, Vitex, Vitamin C

Not sure if i should increase the 5HTP dosage or switch to L-Tryptophan?

Your help is appreciated.

Sia

    David Tomen
    July 7, 2021

    Sia, L-Tryptophan is a far safer option to increase serotonin and melatonin than 5-HTP. And can be used by most people long-term without a problem. Not so with 5-HTP.

    But you need more than just dopamine for motivation. You also need to activate AMPA receptors as explained here: https://nootropicsexpert.com/hacking-motivation-with-nootropics/

    And this for sleep: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-sleep-supplements-to-buy/

      Sia
      July 7, 2021

      Hi David,

      Thanks so much for the quick response, i was going to take something like Phenylalanine since i feel ay benefits from Tyrosine. Or is Aniracetam a better option?

        David Tomen
        July 8, 2021

        Sia, if you did not get any benefit from L-Tyrosine it is unlikely that you would benefit from Phenylalanine either because both increase dopamine. And if dopamine is not the cause of your issues they can’t help.

        Aniracetam combined with Sulbutiamine is the best antidepressant I’ve ever used. Not saying that it will work for you too. But it may be worth trying.

boudi
May 31, 2021

I suffer from low serotonin. Do I combine Tryptophan with 5htp or do I use one of them

    David Tomen
    June 1, 2021

    Boudi, L-Tryptophan is a much safer long-term solution to increasing serotonin. I suggest using only that to increase serotonin.

Melissa
May 25, 2021

Hi David,

Is there any information out there on combining Wellbutrin(Buproprion) with the stack you mention in this article? Curious since it is not classified as an SSRI, tricyclic, or MAOI.

Thanks

    David Tomen
    May 26, 2021

    Mellissa, not sure I understand your question. Do you mean using Wellbutrin with 5-HTP?

      Melissa
      May 26, 2021

      Sorry about that. Yes, that’s what I mean. Since it is a different class of drug, do you have any information on it being ok or not ok to use with 5-HTP or in a supplement stack that includes 5-HTP.

        David Tomen
        May 27, 2021

        Melissa, there is nothing published about them being contraindicated. But that does not necessarily mean it can’t be a problem.

        The thing is you are talking about a powerful drug and an equally powerful supplement. I cannot advise you either way except to say be very careful.

Liliana
May 25, 2021

Hi David,

I have asked before this question for tryptophan, but was wondering if it applies for 5htp as well.
My question was can I take 5htp with. Am I at risk of getting seretonin syndorm with this combo
* 5htp at night
* Rhodiola
* Ginseng – Eleuthero
* Aswagandha
* Brahmi
* Gotu kola

Thank you.

Nana

    David Tomen
    May 25, 2021

    Nana, chances are slim but it is possible. 5-HTP much more so than L-Tryptophan because 5-HTP is unforgiving. It immediately begins making serotonin no matter what. L-Tryptophan is gentler and easier to manage the dose.

      Nanna
      May 27, 2021

      Thank you David

Debbie
February 26, 2021

I am taking 5-htp and Fluoxetine antidepressant meds, and I have no side effects, but the positive effects ended after 6 months. My binge eating and depression are back. As I read here, this combination is dangerous, so I consider stopping with this. Should I start taking L-tyrosine (or Bacopa Monnieri) now, to incrase dopamine level ? and stop with antidepressants and 5-htp? The more I read, the more confused I feel about what to take.

I would be very grateful for the answer.

    Debbie
    February 26, 2021

    To add a little background, I have eating disorders and depression 11 years now. Last May I started taking 10mg Fluoxetine (SSRI) and 100mg 5-htp per day. I felt normal for the first time in my life. My relationship with food was healthy and I started loosing some weight. I felt cured. And no side effects at all. But now all the symptomes are coming back: overeating, gaining weight, tiredness, lack of will and motivation. Is dopamine decrease a possible reason for it? What nootropics combination would you suggest to me?

    Kind regards from Europe,
    Debbie

    David Tomen
    February 27, 2021

    Debbie, it is well know that 5-HTP stops providing any benefit after 4 – 6 weeks. So you are luckier than most. But the reason it stops working in my opinion (i.e. I can’t prove this) is serotonin over powers dopamine. If you depress dopamine too much bad things happen.

    If you have had success with Fluoxetine that means you have problems with serotonin. But higher doses of Fluoxetine (50 – 80 mg per day) also influence dopamine and norepinephrine.

    L-Tryptophan is a far safer alternative to 5-HTP and continues to work long-term. I’m NOT suggesting you use it in combo with Fluoxetine. But only bring it up because you were using 5-HTP successfully.

    And yes you likely should be increasing dopamine during the day by using L-Tyrosine to keep it in balance with serotonin.

      Deborah
      February 27, 2021

      I had higher doses of Fluoxetine in the past, but side effects were too strong (I was so sleepy I couldn’t drive ect.). Then I found 5-htp on my own and when it started working it felt like miracle. But now probably my dopamine decreased too much.
      What works better for dopamine: l-tyrosine or Bacopa Monnieri?
      I will stop taking SSRI and try with l-tryptophane + l-tyrosine/bacopa monnieri alone. Hope it helps.

      Thank you so much for the answer! I deeply appreciate it.

        David Tomen
        February 27, 2021

        Deborah, I recommend L-Tyrosine for boosting dopamine because it is a direct precursor to the synthesis of dopamine in your brain.

        Bacopa Monnieri does not directly affect dopamine.

Carl
January 21, 2021

Hi David,

I am taking the standard 10:1 ratio – 500mg L-Tyrosine with 50mg 5-HTP, for stress, low mood etc

To keep the levels of Dopamine and Seratonin balance throughout the day, is it best to take both at the same time?

….Or, is it best to do what most seem to recommend and take the L-Tyrosine in AM, then 5-HTP in PM?

Im just thinking that as there would be a 10-12 hour gap between me taking the L-Tyrosine in AM and 5HTP in PM, would this not lead to an imbalance during that period as they were not takengat the same time?

Thanks. Carl

    David Tomen
    January 21, 2021

    Carl, most supplementing with L-Tyrosine during the day take L-Tryptophan before bed. Because dosages are higher.

    I don’t suggest using 5-HTP for a number of reasons. Including L-Tryptophan is safer and easier to dose.

    The half-life of L-Tyrosine means for all-day benefit you should use it at least twice – AM and noon. Then 500 mg L-Tryptophan before bed.

Carl
January 18, 2021

Hi David, first of all – great article! Ive just stumbled across it and think you may be able to clear up the answer to a couple of questions i have.

I have just started taking the classic 1:10 ration of 50mg 5-HTP with 500mg L-Tyrosine, for general low mood, anxiety, stress etc.

My questions are…

1) Is it better to take both at the same time (in morning) so they balance each other out throughout the day, rather than taking L-Tyrosine in the morning, then 5-HTP in evening?…. which could lead to an imbalance later in the day, as there would be about a 10 hour gap between taking them?
Or, can the balance be maintained by taking them so far apart?

2) Could I take 500mg L-Tyrosine with 50mg 5-HTP in the morning, then an additional 50mg 5-HTP in the evening too? So as to ensure the balance throughout the day, then an extra 50mg to relax me for the evening and bedtime etc? ..Or, as this would turn it into a 1:5 ratio – is this not recommended?

Thanks in advance for your time.

    David Tomen
    January 22, 2021

    Carl, I’m not a fan of ‘ratios’ for dosing these kinds of supplements. It’s better to use what works in my opinion. If 50 mg 5-HTP + 500 mg L-Tyrosine works for you then stay with it. And use the same small dose of 5-HTP late in the day if that works for you.

    I recommend using L-Tyrosine 2 or 3-times during the day when you need dopamine. And L-Tryptophan before bed when you need serotonin/melatonin. That’s the kind of L-Tyrosine dosing that can mess with dopamine/serotonin balance.

Enes
January 5, 2021

Hello David. I use tyrosine and 5-htp. Initially I was using 500 mg tyrosine and 200 mg 5-htp. But I realized that tyrosine was not working. I researched tyrosine again and found it used in much higher doses. The dosage I’m using now is 8 grams per day. I do not feel the effect at lower doses. I guess it’s because of 5-htp. I have no means to use tryptophan and my anxiety problem is really challenging me. I guess I will continue to use 5-htp necessarily. 5-htp really helped my anxiety. However, I am afraid that 5-htp will disappear after a while as you said. I am thinking of boosting 5-htp to 400mg. I also use 250 mg of theanine per day. If you have a better suggestion, could you please help?

    David Tomen
    January 7, 2021

    Enes, the only other option for directly increasing serotonin is L-Tryptophan. But if you cannot get it then it’ll have to be 5-HTP.

    I am convinced the reason 5-HTP stops working for most people after 4 – 6 weeks of daily use is because dopamine/serotonin are out of balance. So long as you keep those two in balance 5-HTP should continue working for you.

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