DMAE (Dimethylaminoethanol, Deanol, Deaner) has two methyl groups and is structurally similar to choline, which is a direct precursor to the synthesis of acetylcholine (ACh).
ACh is a critical neurotransmitter that influences everything from memory to muscle control. And it is the relationship ACh has with DMAE that generates most of the hype around DMAE as a nootropic.
But it turns out that DMAE is NOT a precursor to acetylcholine as reported on many nootropic and brain optimization sites. However, many neurohackers report that supplementing with DMAE has worked wonders for their brain.
So here we’ll try to clear up some of the confusion and misinformation surrounding DMAE as a nootropic supplement. And if adding DMAE to your stack makes sense.
DMAE helps:
- Neuroprotection. DMAE helps eliminate lipofuscin and free radicals from brain cells.
- Neurotransmitters. DMAE prevents choline uptake by cells forcing more free choline to be available in your system. And DMAE stimulates cholinergic receptors that may promote the use of acetylcholine (ACh) in your brain.
- Mood. DMAE supplementation may improve mood and energy while influencing sleep patterns.
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Overview
DMAE (Dimethylaminoethanol, Deanol, Deaner) is an amine naturally produced in small amounts in your brain. High levels of DMAE are also found in seafood like anchovies and sardines.
Researchers have speculated that DMAE may increase acetylcholine (ACh) levels in the brain by inhibiting choline metabolism in peripheral tissues.
By preventing the use of choline by other tissues (including synthesis into acetylcholine), DMAE increases choline levels in the bloodstream.[i]
Once DMAE crosses the blood-brain barrier, it increases choline levels in the brain. So with higher choline levels present, you would expect elevated levels of acetylcholine (ACh).
But research has shown this is not always what happens when DMAE gets to your brain. In one study DMAE was rapidly taken into the brain. But when it reached synapses – nothing happened. Choline levels rose but did not convert into acetylcholine.[ii]
What’s going on here? First, we must look at how acetylcholine (ACh) is made. ACh is synthesized in a single step reaction catalyzed by the enzyme choline acetyltransferase (ChAT).[iii] The rate-limiting steps in ACh synthesis are the availability of choline and Acetyl Coenzyme A (Acetyl-CoA).
The only other source of acetylcholine (ACh) is synthetization from phosphatidylcholine (PC) via phosphatidylethanolamine N-methyltransferase (PEMT).[iv] And this ACh synthesis only happens in cholinergic receptors.
So it would appear that DMAE cannot be converted to either choline or ACh. The only way DMAE can increase choline is by inhibiting choline metabolism.
And the reason why choline levels rise in the brain when supplementing with DMAE is because the choline does not synthesize into acetylcholine (ACh).[v]
So why do some neurohackers experience a benefit in increased focus, clearer cognition, and even an antidepressant effect with DMAE?
It could be that DMAE stimulates cholinergic receptors into taking action.[vi] And with extra choline floating around because of DMAE, these neuroreceptors may decide to produce some extra ACh.[vii]
DMAE may be useful to those dealing with a choline deficiency in the brain. And studies show that DMAE effectiveness in the brain depends on the health of the cholinergic system in your brain.[viii]
But as neurohackers we have more efficient options available for boosting acetylcholine in the brain. Centrophenoxine which is a combination of DMAE and cCPA (parachlorphenoxyacetic acid) seems to boost acetylcholine in the brain much more efficiently than DMAE.
How does DMAE Work in the Brain?
DMAE boosts brain health and function in several ways. But two in particular stand out.
- DMAE is a neuroprotectant. Lipofuscin is a cellular waste product that accumulates in brain cells as we age. It’s the same waste product that causes brown spots on skin. Lipofuscin hides in cells throughout your body including your brain, eyes, liver, kidneys, heart, adrenals and nerve cells (neurons).
Neurohackers often report that supplementing with DMAE produces enhanced vision. This vision effect may be DMAE’s ability to help remove waste like lipofuscin from cells that affect vision.
This lipofuscin removal mechanism of action by DMAE has been shown in animal studies. Researchers used Centrophenoxine injections on 17-month old female mice. The animals were injected daily for 3 months.
The researchers studied changes in pigment layers of the retina of both eyes in the mice. And found there was significant reduction of lipofuscin pigment in the treated animals.[ix]
Centrophenoxine breaks down into DMAE once in your body. And it is the DMAE in this nootropic that provides the lipofuscin scavenger affects.
- DMAE enhances attention and mood. DMAE has been reported by some neurohackers to improve vigilance, attention, mood and energy while alleviating depression. A study by German researchers may explain where this feeling of well-being comes from when supplementing with DMAE.
This double-blind, placebo-controlled trial used 80 human subjects evenly split between male and female. The study analyzed their brain’s electrical reaction during the presentation of five 7-minute video clips followed by a 3-minute pause for each.
This procedure was repeated after 6 and 12 weeks of daily intake of DMAE or a placebo. The subjects taking DMAE for 3 months developed significantly less theta and alpha brain waves.
Decreases in theta and alpha brain waves have been associated with increased vigilance and attention. The subjects using DMAE were also more active and felt better.
The researchers concluded that DMAE can induce a state of better feeling of well-being.[x]
How things go bad
As we get older, our brain chemistry and energy metabolism changes.
↓ Concentration, working memory and executive function decline
↓ Cholinergic receptors degenerate
↓ DMAE levels decline
↑ Lipofuscin and free radicals build up in brain cells
All of these age-related changes could be influenced by declining DMAE levels. And are contributing factors to neurodegenerative diseases and depression.
DMAE levels are an inevitable consequence of aging. And may contribute to the onset of degenerative disease.
DMAE benefits
DMAE increases choline levels in your brain. This increase in choline and DMAE’s ability to stimulate cholinergic receptors into action may lead to an increase in acetylcholine (ACh) levels.
But DMAE does not directly elevate acetylcholine levels in the brain. DMAE is NOT a precursor to acetylcholine.[xi]
Increased ACh levels affect learning and memory. ACh helps the encoding of memories and your ability to concentrate. As neurohackers, we absolutely want to increase acetylcholine levels. Especially if our brain is low on ACh.
But DMAE is not the best way to achieve the goal of elevated ACh levels.
Research into DMAE is ongoing and there may be some benefits to DMAE supplementation not yet known by the neurohacking or research community.[xii]
DMAE has been used to treat a variety of conditions from cognitive disorders to ADHD. DMAE is also used in skin care products to help reduce age spots, fine lines and wrinkles, and even sagging skin.[xiii]
Free radicals can cause damage to DNA, upset cellular metabolism, and induce the creation of oxygen species that kill brain cells.[xiv] Some research has found that DMAE is a somewhat effective free radical scavenger.[xv]
DMAE has been found to diminish the extent of “cross-linking” of proteins that have been implicated in diseases like Alzheimer’s.[xvi] Researchers think this may be due to DMAE’s effectiveness as a free radical scavenger.[xvii]
DMAE is reported to induce lucid dreaming.[xviii]
How does DMAE feel?
Some neurohackers report that DMAE supplementation causes a noticeable boost in their ability to concentrate.
DMAE users often report:
- better memory (especially short-term memory)
- mentally alert
- improved focus
- mental clarity
- better sleep patterns
Dosing more DMAE than recommended has been reported to make you feel edgy and tense. And you may experience muscles spasms, particularly in your shoulders and neck.
DMAE Clinical Research
Early DMAE Research
A prescription form of DMAE called Deaner or Deanol was in clinical use as far back as the 1960’s and 70’s. Deanol was used for the treatment of learning and behavioral problems associated with shortened attention span.
Two clinical trials conducted over 40 years ago proving the efficacy of using DMAE for treating what’s now known as ADHD are below.
But in 1983, the FDA in all their wisdom insisted on additional studies to prove the effectiveness of DMAE. And because clinical trials would have been costlier than product sales could support, the company making Deanol and Deaner took them off the market.
DMAE is now available as a nootropic supplement. One that your doctor or psychiatrist is unlikely to prescribe to you for treating your ADHD.
DMAE to Treat ADHD
One double-blind, placebo-controlled study compared the effects of DMAE supplementation with methylphenidate (Ritalin) for treating ADHD. 74 children diagnosed with learning problems and hyperactivity were referred to this study.
The children received 40 mg of Ritalin, 500 mg of DMAE or a placebo daily for 3 months. Behavior, reaction times and other psychometric tests were done before and after treatment.
Both ‘drugs’ proved to be effective according to several tests. The researchers concluded that DMAE supplementation significantly improved performance in children with learning and behavior disorders.[xix]
Another study conducted by Dr. Carl Pfeiffer of the Brain-Bio center in Princeton, New Jersey with 25 girls and 83 boys found similar results in using DMAE for treating ADHD.
In this study, Dr. Pfeiffer found that DMAE enhanced the behavior in 2/3 of the boys and 3/4 of the girls. Attention span was better, irritability and hyperactivity were decreased, scholastic ability improved and in some cases even IQ got a boost.[xx]
So if you’re ADHD, and using Ritalin or Adderall and looking for a natural alternative, you may want to try DMAE.
DMAE use in Cosmetics
Most of the research on DMAE in the 1950’s and 60’s centered around using this compound for cognitive function and brain health.
The most recent research on DMAE is primarily for using the compound in skin cosmetic formulas.
DMAE has been shown to increase skin firmness even in young skin. One study with 30 healthy adults aged 36 – 49 applied DMAE gel or a placebo. The results of the study showed that DMAE-treated skin was much firmer.[xxi]
Another randomized clinical study used 3% DMAE facial gel applied daily for 16 weeks. The gel was able to reduce forehead lines, wrinkles around the eyes and improve lip shape and fullness. And the effects did not regress even 2-weeks after stopping application.
Another open-label extension of the same trial showed that long-term application of DMAE gel had a good safety profile.[xxii]
DMAE Dosage
Recommended dosage of DMAE is 100 – 200 mg per day.
DMAE nootropic supplements are usually sold as DMAE bitartrate. A capsule of DMAE bitartrate is only 37% DMAE and the rest is 67% tartaric acid.
A 250 mg capsule of DMAE bitartrate yields 92.5 mg of actual DMAE.
Take your DMAE dose in the morning before or with breakfast. Dose DMAE a few times a week, but not every day.
If you are going to use DMAE, stack it with a good source of choline. Remember that DMAE inhibits choline and metabolism of choline. And you absolutely need choline and acetylcholine for a fully optimized brain.
DMAE inhibits phospholipid synthesis. This means you won’t get much help with choline precursors. You need a good source of choline.
Without getting into a long explanation of the mechanics – Phosphatidylcholine (PC) or CDP-Choline and Omega-3’s can help offset the damage caused by long-term DMAE use.
DMAE Side Effects
DMAE is considered non-toxic and safe for short-term or intermittent use. Your body naturally produces some DMAE on its own.
You shouldn’t experience any side effects as long as you use DMAE in recommended doses.
Some neurohackers report insomnia, headaches and muscle tension. Usually because the dose was too high.
If you have a negative reaction to DMAE stop using DMAE.
If you are planning on becoming pregnant do not use DMAE. Clinical studies have shown that DMAE may stunt the growth of the child’s brain.[xxiii]
If you have epilepsy or bipolar disorder you should avoid using DMAE entirely.
See “DMAE Dosage Notes” about how to stack DMAE if you’re going to supplement with this nootropic.
Where to buy DMAE
DMAE is available in tablet, capsule, powder, liquid, creams and gels.
DMAE tablets and capsules are usually DMAE bitartrate (see “Dosage Notes”) and 150 – 350 mg.
Depending on the size of capsule or tablet, do the conversion for pure DMAE, and start slowly with a low dose of 50 mg. And see how you respond.
Nootropics Expert Recommendation
DMAE 100 – 200 mg per day
I do NOT recommend using DMAE as a nootropic supplement. But if you must use DMAE, refer to the “Dosage Notes” and “Side Effects” in this review.
Your body does make some DMAE on its own. But DMAE production inevitably declines with age.
Some neurohackers report that using DMAE has a significant effect on concentration, memory, alertness, focus and mental clarity.
But here at Nootropics Expert, I feel there are much more effective and safe ways to improve alertness, concentration, focus, and memory.
If you’re going to use DMAE, start with 50 mg of DMAE per day. And see how you feel. Increase the dose no more than 50 mg at a time.
And watch for side effects. Don’t forget to cycle it. Take it for a few days and take a couple of days off.
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Hello David,
I am considering using Testo lab pro by Optinutra and stack it with their respective Multivitamin-Nutrigenesis Multi for Men. Any experience with Testo lab pro?.
Thanks,
Simon
Simon, that is one product I have not tried yet. But I did use the original version that led to this one for several months. And it raised my T-levels by a couple hundred points. Don’t know if this one will as well but it’s a quality product and sells very well.
Hello David,
I am currently using DMAE and alpha GPC on a daily basis where i take 300mg Alpha-GPC once a day and 350mgX2 DMAE. Would it be OK to add a multi vitamin on top of these or I have to cycle either DMAE or Alpha-GPC out at the same time.
Thanks and regards,
Simon
Simon, absolutely add a multivitamin. And the higher quality multi the better.
Dear David,
I am very interested in your blog-posts. And read a lot about them.
I am very interested in DMAE because of it’s side effects.
I want to lucid dream, but I have a very hard time.
I wanted to ask you therefore if there is a way to actually induce lucid dreams with a 100% chance of this happening?
And yes I do reality checks (20-30 times a day) I keep a dream journal and tried many methods. I would like to use supplements to increase chance of becoming lucid.
Lots of love!
Shura, there is no guarantee that DMAE will help you have lucid dreams. For that I suggest you read my sleep article: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-sleep/
hi David,
I have been reading your work and watching your videos! Absolutely awesome!!
Just couple of quick questions –
1. For general over all anti ageing –
DMAE + Acetyl-L-Carnitine + Lecithin (because it contains Phosphatidyl Choline)
Would that be a good anti ageing stack?
2. Just for skin anti ageing – could you just dissolve the above in an oil (such as coconut oil) and put it on your skin?
Or if that would not work – what would you recommend for topical skin application to get rid of wrinkles?
Much appreciate your thoughts,
Kind Regards,
Rose
Rose, DMAE is used in skin creams which works well. Not sure it you could do it yourself.
Are you looking for an anti-aging stack? Or better skin? If it is skin you’d like to improve I suggest doing a search of Nootropics Expert using the search function top right of the top menu. And search for the keyword “skin” and see what turns up.
You will come up with several pages so it’ll take some scrolling and reading. But you can do much better than the combo you came up with.
I spend my time researching and writing about the human brain. But every thing we do for our brain affects the rest of the body as well. So the “skin” supplements you choose will also likely help improve learning and memory. And even mood.
Hi David 🙂
I want to start using DMAE 50mg like once or twice a week for 6 months will i still have long term damage from using DMAE?? I read it is great for it’s anxiolytic effects, mental clarity and alertness.
I want to stack it with Alpha GPC 150mg twice the day i use it and 3000mg Omega that has 360mg DHA cause it’s all i can get in my country.
Will i be safe?
Anthony, infrequent use of DMAE is certainly safer than using it every day. Not sure where you found something about it being an effective anxiolytic. But that just doesn’t make sense to me based on the way it works in your brain.
Certainly doesn’t hurt to try it however. You’ll know within a couple of days if it’s going to provide any benefit.
Someone on Reddit commented it is a effective anxiolytic and some even said it helped them with social anxiety.
Did i read right that you used it before or not? If you had to put the risk in percentages how safe is DMAE short term like i want to use it?
Anthony, DMAE may have been beneficial to someone who was choline deficient. Notice that I said “choline deficient” and not acetylcholine deficient.
The thing is DMAE inhibits choline and metabolism of choline. And DMAE inhibits phospholipid synthesis.
Any which way you look at it this old “drug” is not a great idea. I only used it when I was using L-Carnosine because DMAE helps get rid of the lipofuscin that results in age spots caused by using L-Carnosine. That is the only scenario where I’d say it’s beneficial to use DMAE.
But if someone insists on using it, Phosphatidylcholine (PC) or CDP-Choline and Omega-3’s can help offset the damage caused by long-term DMAE use.
Hi, I have heard omega 3/ fish oil can promote lipofuscin.
I think it’s all about doasge.
What I would like to do is use 1000mg/day carnosien and _____mg/ EVERY OTHER day DMAE to offset lipofuscin.
The less I can get away with DMAE the better because I like alpha and theta brainwaves.
Have also heard centrophenoxine 250 mg is more bioavailable but you say 50 mg of DMAE sufficient EVERY OTHER day?
Thoughts?
Thanks!
Jeff
Jeffrey, it is not logical that Omega-3 would increase lipofuscin. And that has not been my experience either.
But L-Carnosine certainly does. Try 50 mg DMAE and see if it works. You may need to increase it to 100 mg.
Hi David, I love the benefits of DMAE, if I intend to take DMAE 100mg daily (as dimethylaminoethanol bitartrate) would Citicoline CDP Choline — 250 mg enough to counter the bad side effect?
Jason, Phosphatidylcholine (PC) 100 mg or CDP-Choline 250 – 300 mg with DHA 1,000 mg can help offset the damage caused by long-term DMAE use. Use either PC or CDP-Choline and use DHA with either choice.
Hi David, Just to clarify, Phosphatidylcholine (PC) is it 100 mg or 1000mg per day?
Jason, it’s 100 mg PC 3-times per day or each time you use DMAE.
Hello David, I just found out Im allergic to fish oil, it would cause airway constriction, skin rash and bloating. Is there any alternative? How about Vitamin E?
Jason, Anaphylaxis is a severe systemic allergic reaction that some people get from a protein called tropomyosin found in the muscle tissue of seafood. Possibly including the muscle tissue of fish. A high quality fish oil should not contain any muscle tissue. If it does it’s because it’s a low quality attempt at extracting the oil.
To be on the safe side and still be able to get your required daily dose of Omega-3s and all its benefits it’s best to choose an Omega-3 from the source. The same place fish and other seafood get their DHA and EPA. And that’s algae.
This is now my favorite source of Omega-3s: https://bit.ly/3dFeAZe. 3 gelcaps provides 900 mg of DHA which is what your brain needs every single day.
Best to pass this one by your doctor but you should be able to safely use it even if you’re allergic to seafood and fish.
And while Vitamin E (all 8 isomers) are required for a healthy body and brain, it’s not the same thing as Omega-3s. Two different nutrients.
I’m confused. DMAE is on the list of supplement you’re currently taking.
But in the comments, you say you do NOT recommend it.
Which is it?
Keith, it means I haven’t gotten around to updating my list of “What I take”. Thanks for the kick in the pants. I’ll get it done.
Hi David, what do you think of cholinesterase inhibitors? Is it beneficial to the body in long term?
Jason, only if you need more acetylcholine. I think there is short-term benefit to using them sometimes. But keep in mind that there are potent prescription drugs that are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors to treat Alzheimer’s patients.
Seems to me a better choice is to just increase acetylcholine as needed with something like Alpha GPC or CDP-Choline. It’s more predictable and reliable.
Hi David, what is the half life time of DMAE? I used 2 supplements of 500 mg to start (far to high as it seemed to be for me) and now 6 days later i still suffer from the effects.
Tammo, the half-life of DMAE seems to be around 4 hrs. if taken internally and up to 30 hrs. if used on your skin (https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/chem_background/exsumpdf/dmae_update_110002_508.pdf).
Best way to recover I think is with 300 mg Alpha GPC or CDP-Choline twice per day until you’re feeling better.
Dear David,
I used DMAE 12 days ago. I have taken it orally. However i still feel little noticable effects. How long does it take untill its fully degraded? I use vitamin B12 and B5, Choline and Gingko to speed up the proces. Do you have other tips how its degraded quicker.
Let me know.
Tammo Brinkhorst
Tammo, DMAE has a half-life when taken orally of about 3 – 4 hrs. Which means it has completely left your system within 8 hours.
Learn how DMAE works in your brain. Because since DMAE forces your cells to release more choline then using a Choline supplement to mitigate the effects you’re talking about is not a good idea.
The only way to efficiently ‘use up’ lots of acetylcholine within a few hours is using one of the racetams. Like Aniracetam.
“And the reason why choline levels rise in the brain when supplementing with DMAE is because the choline does not synthesize into acetylcholine (ACh)”
“It could be that DMAE stimulates cholinergic receptors into taking action.[vi] And with extra choline floating around because of DMAE, these neuroreceptors may decide to produce some extra ACh.[vii]”
First you said DMAE doesn’t convert choline to ACh, then you
said DMAE stimulates cholinergic receptors to produce extra ACh. Im confused.
Jason, it is confusing. DMAE does not and cannot provide a choline molecule to contribute to the synthesis of acetylcholine. It’s physically not possible because that’s not the way it works.
DMAE inhibits choline metabolism in peripheral tissues which forces more choline into the bloodstream. Once that choline makes it to your brain it may contribute to the synthesis of acetylcholine.
DMAE is valuable for some things but not for making acetylcholine. If you’re looking for a supplement to boost acetylcholine in your brain, use a direct precursor like Alpha GPC or CDP-Choline.
But DMAE is great for reducing age spots, fine lines and wrinkles, and even sagging skin. And it seems to be a somewhat effective free radical scavenger.
Hi David, thanks for the explanation.
I really love DMAE it gives me focus which I lack and it starts to work within 30mins. When I can’t focus, my psychosis would get worse.
It’s a good thing I came across your website, so I know I need to supplement my body with Choline when I take DMAE.
I intend to get CDP-Choline.
I sleep 11 hours a day and I still feel tired.
Could you recommend supplement for psychosis?
Right now Im taking Lithium orotate 5mg, B complex, Beta Alanine (1/4 tsp), vitamin C, vitamin D3, zinc, Magnesium glycinate, Ginkgo biloba, Glutathione and ofc DMAE.
Jason, one of the only other nootropics shown to be effective for psychosis is CBD Oil: https://nootropicsexpert.com/cbd-oil/
Fatigue can be caused by so many different things. The most fundamental source of energy your body produces comes from ATP synthesized in mitochondria. So one of the first things I’d suggest trying is supporting you mitochondrial energy production. Which is explained here: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-energy-supplements-to-buy/
Thank you David for the link on energy. Im thinking of getting PQQ for energy.
Jason, PQQ stacks really well with CoQ10. They work together for energy production. Or save yourself some time and money with a stack I find effective for pure, clean energy and that’s Performance Lab Energy. It does what they advertise.
Hi David I can’t find Alpha GPC or CDP Choline locally, I brought Lecithin 1200 Plus With Chromium Picolinate, (Phosphatidyl Choline 420 mg) is it ok? I take DMAE 100mg/day.
Jason, phosphatidylcholine is one way to boost acetylcholine. But it’s not the best way. You can use other choline supplements as well. Here’s a link that include two others you may want to try: https://nootropicsexpert.com/advanced-guide-to-choline-in-nootropic-stacks/
You don’t recommend DMAE, what is your recommendation?
Jason, for increasing acetylcholine I recommend either Alpha GPC or CDP-Choline.
DMAE side effect. Lucid dreaming noted by one researcher. In my case it was lucid nightmares.
Hey David – I’m just recently getting into the nootropics world but I’ve noticed a substantial “clarity of mind” so to speak when adding DMAE to my stack.
About 8+ years ago I was diagnosed with ADHD and around that same time discovered a multivitamin with more or less a nootropic stack as part of the “Energy” portion of the multi. The stack is as follows:
N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine
Coffea Robusta Seed Extract
DMAE Bitartrate
Phenylethylamine HCl
Siberian Ginseng Root Extract
Huperzia Serrata Extract
This multi has since been taken off the shelves as the company who sold it, Complete Nutrition, regularly cycles these things in and out. I’ve done my best to re-create the stack as for years it actually worked really well when taking both the vita-pack as well as my daily 10mg of Daytrana (Methylphenidate)
I’m reading in here that I should potentially add some additional CDP Choline to help supplement the choline my brain is currently producing but I wanted to ask you if there is anything else I should be doing? Is this a safe stack? Should I be concerned with intake levels in any of these substances? At the moment I am more or less just taking the recommended doses or lower for each of the listed substances along with a multivitamin. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts!
Parker, CDP-Choline is a great idea because the ADHD brain has problems with dopamine and the way it’s used. And brain cell signalling. The latter is dependent on acetylcholine which is made using either CDP-Choline, ALCAR (cofactor) and the B-Complex vitamins.
DMAE and Huperzia Serrata Extract require more acetylcholine as well. I recommend you only use Huperzia once very 2 – 3 days because of its long half-life. Using it every day and your body can’t get rid of it fast enough to be safe long-term.
And last thing … the caffeine you’re using demands more dopamine which you’ve got covered. But it also depletes the B-Vitamins and it forces your adrenals to put out excess cortisol. You can bring cortisol under control by using L-Theanine.
So what you’re using is safe but would be better with CDP-Choline, ALCAR, B-Complex and L-Theanine.
Hi David,
Just to clarify – there is no need to cycle DMAE (351 mg bitartrate = 130 mg DMAE per day) when taking Alpha GPC (300 mg twice a day)? Purpose of supplementing with DMAE is to help with lipofuscin excess caused by L-Carnosine (2 x 500 mg daily). I mean long term (years) use.
Also, is supplementing with ALCAR necessary or is DMAE sufficient?
Thanks,
Darek
Darek, Phosphatidylcholine (PC) or CDP-Choline and Omega-3’s can help offset the damage caused by long-term DMAE use. Alpha GPC may replace CDP-Choline too but I haven’t seen any evidence of this.
ALCAR is a completely different nootropic with a distinct mechanism of action. And is a required cofactor in the synthesis of acetylcholine.
Thank you.
hi David just watch your video on dma I don’t know if I quite understand it and I read a few articles recently contrary to what you said so I just wanted to clear the air in layman’s terms in a few sentences can you tell me what it does one thing that I read is that dma dmae could be a, is this true I take GPC but I’m going back to have a pretty good job. I’m going back to school as well so I’m on a budget therefore I’ll still take still take GPC what if I took it instead of taking two of those a day if I took it with bitartrate or dmae if it is a cholinergic are there any other budget supplement you can really recommend that actually work I’m a low-energy person by nature because there’s two things I need to mention about my bring emmylou energy person because I don’t drink coffee and I never took caffeine in my life secondly I am diagnosed with general anxiety disorder so I take a medication you know associated with that and you can imagine the primary ones and I know those really mess with your color there’s a signaling so I do find myself pretty forgetful if I don’t take some new pepper or something everyday but that’s getting a little bit pricey and I can’t take it I used to take two or three doses a day even if I couldn’t sleep well now I’ll take one I watch all your videos and the best nootropics ones however as stacks for energy and mental focus could you please clarify is dmae a cholinergic or not and how car is that a cholinergic what does it do
Kristian, DMAE works by preventing the use of choline by other tissues (including synthesis into acetylcholine), which in turn increases choline levels in the bloodstream. But research shows it does not increase acetylcholine levels as you would expect.
If you are trying to increase acetylcholine for better learning and memory I suggest using something like Alpha GPC or CDP-Choline instead.
Hello David,
I am currently taking this stack:
6 mixed tabs contain:
Ginkgo Biloba: 6000mg (from 120mg 50:1 Extract)
N-Acetyl L-Carnitine: 1000mg
N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine: 500mg
Panax Ginseng: 400mg (from 40mg 10:1 Extract)
KSM-66® Ashwagandha (5% Withanolides): 300mg
Cognizin® Citicoline: 250mg
DMAE Bitartrate: 250mg
Caffeine: 200mg
L-Theanine: 200mg
Spanish Sage: 100mg (from 25mg 4:1 Extract)
Phosphatidyl Serine: 50mg
AstraGin®: 50mg
Vitamin B3: 16mg
Zinc: 10mg
Vitamin B5: 6mg
Vitamin B6: 1.4mg
Vitamin B12: 2.5μg
+
PER 4 SOFTGELS: Omega 3 Fish Oil 4400mg (EPA 1440mg, DHA 960mg), Vitamin D3 4000IU (2000% RI*), Astaxanthin 400µg.
+
piracetam 2400mg per day
my concern is for the Dmae bitartrate. Does the omega and cognizin offset the negative side of dmae? would taking the first stack 5/7 days per week be safe?
Should i add something on the choline side?
And for a fuller picture i also take:
Im also taking this mix as 3 tabs per day: mg per day
5HTP 200
Chamomile 120
L-Taurine 15
L-Theanine 150
L-Tryptophan 450
Magnesium 150
Montmorency Cherry Extract 60
Niacin 90
Valerian Root Extract 150
Vitamin B6 6
and the following which i take in line with the website recommendations:
zink+copper
lithium orotate
pqq
curcumin+bioperine
ubiquinol
rhodiola rosea + l-theanine
trans resveratrol + piperine
phenibut
coconut oil
It goes without saying that i rarely consume coffee, alcohol and zero soda.
I always had a history of low attention span, although being rather “bright”.
During college I went overboard with thc for a year which spilled out into memory problems.
There is a lot here and i’m worried that maybe some adverse synergy may occur. For instance choline levels, or serotonin problems from combining 5-htp, l-tryptophan and rhodiola rosea. I know rhodiola can conflict with MAOI’s, would it have a similar affect for SSRi’s?
Before i successfully took the 5-htp stack with zink, vitamins, fish oils and rhodiola. But if the other nootropics Do not conflict I would like to supplement my brain with the best fuel possible.
Thanks
Regards,
Mark
Mark, the problem with DMAE is it inhibits phospholipid synthesis. This means you won’t get much help with choline precursors. You need a good source of choline.
But Phosphatidylcholine (PC) or CDP-Choline and Omega-3’s can help offset the damage caused by long-term DMAE use. So if you’re doing adequate doses of these then I wouldn’t worry about cycling DMAE.
As for your other question, I suggest you learn the side effects of excess acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin and not enough of each of these neurotransmitters. Then adjust accordingly.
Because everything you’re doing is natural and considered “non-toxic” there should not be a problem using what you are now. Just keep an eye out for side effects which are described under the review of each nootropic.
Hi David,
I have a question about this warning?
is it only for females?
“If you are planning on becoming pregnant do not use DMAE. Clinical studies have shown that DMAE may stunt the growth of the child’s brain.[xxiii]”
for the males? can they take it? and get normal babies?
or it will lead to birth problems even if DMAE used by only the father?
please advise.
Thanks & Regards
Studies show that DMAE can cause developmental defects in embryos in animal models. So if you are a human female I’d avoid DMAE if you are pregnant or thinking of getting pregnant because it could cause mental development problems in the unborn child.
Hello david, great source of information ..
For almost a few months I suspected I had a mild form of adhd and anxiety and low concentration, since then I started self-observation and placebo increased the symptoms slightly, in my environment the choice of nootropics is very small (certain amino acids and plant extracts), a set I have used unsuccessfully are multivitamins b complexes, ginkgo, alcar, asvaganda, rhodiola, l tyrosine, gaba, dha .. I am 35 years old and physically healthy, intend to try dmae, the question for you is a recommendation for some nootropic supplement or a smaller set that might to act, said axis additions I did not even feel mumbo and ashwagandha.
All the best in future work and I wish you success as a person and an institution !!
Bob, you mentioned in your comment that the nootropics you’ve tried so far were unsuccessful. If I read that right I suggest you re-evaluate your dosages for each supplement.
Because you have the basics for a good ADHD stack. But the only way this stack will work to relieve your symptoms is if you closely follow dosage recommendations and timing during the day.
Hi David,
Hi David,
I take dexamphetamine for ADHD and I would like to try DMAE as an alternative. I also take Performance Lab Mind. Is there enough CPD Choline in PLM or should I use more with DMAE.
I have read elswhere that people with depression should avoid choline supplements as too much Ach can worsen their condition. What is your view on this.
Thank you for your website, your information is great.
Graeme, DMAE is not an alternative to dexamphetamine. Nor is it an efficient way to increase acetylcholine. Because DMAE only increases acetylcholine (ACh) levels in the brain by inhibiting choline metabolism in peripheral tissues. Forcing more choline into the bloodstream and theoretically making more available for acetylcholine synthesis. Kinda’ like robbing Peter to pay Paul in my opinion.
And boosting acetylcholine is just one part of getting the ADHD brain to work better. Here’s a better option …
I personally replaced the use of Ritalin for one entire year using this stack: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-adhd-add/. Just replace Mind Lab Pro with Performance Lab Mind but keep the rest the same.
And we cannot make a blanket statement about depression and choline supplements because it depends on what the root cause of depression is. See this post to understand my meaning of this statement: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-depression/. In some cases excess acetylcholine could worsen depression of course. But this would be a small percentage of the people suffering from depression.