how does Kratom work in the brain?

Kratom

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Kratom is known for relieving anxiety, depression, chronic pain, insomnia, and fatigue

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Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) is the leaf of a tropical deciduous tree within the coffee family (Rubiaceae) native to Southeast Asia.

Kratom has been safely used as a dietary and nootropic supplement, and natural remedy in Southeast Asia for centuries.

Typically consumed in small quantities by chewing fresh or dried leaves, as a steeped tea, or powdered and washed down with a drink. Kratom was used throughout their workday for energy and pain relief.[i]

As a nootropic supplement, Kratom continues to be used to improve mood, as an anxiolytic, for insomnia, pain relief, more energy, as an anti-inflammatory, and to lower blood sugar.[ii]

Here we’ll explore how Kratom benefits your brain.

Kratom helps:

  • Pain: The compounds mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine are agonists of mu (μ) -, delta (δ) –, and kappa (κ) opioid receptors. Resulting in relief from pain.[iii]
  • Anxiolytic: Kratom affects serotonin and norepinephrine pathways in the central nervous system providing relief from anxiety and depression.[iv]
  • Energy: Kratom affects dopamine D1 receptors which helps boost energy.[v]

Overview

Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) is the leaf of a 4 – 16-meter-high tree indigenous to South East Asia, the Philippines and New Guinea.

Kratom is of the Rubiaceae family of flowering plants which includes the coffee plant.

The genus was given its Mitragyna name by the Dutch botanist Pieter Korthals in 1839 because the leaves and the stigmas of the flowers of the plant resemble the shape of a bishop’s mitre.

Other names of the plant are krathom, kakuam, ithang or thom (Thailand), biak-biak or ketum (Malaysia), and mambog (Philippines).

Kratom as a nootropic supplement is the leaves of the Mitragyna speciosa tree and are either greenish/white or red in color. Typically supplied as crushed or powdered dried leaves that vary in color from light to dark green and some variants have a reddish tinge.

how does Kratom work in the brain?
Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa)

Mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-HMG), unique to Mitragyna speciosa, are the two alkaloids mainly responsible for the effects of Kratom. And are agonists of the μ-subtype opioid receptor (MOR).[vi]

5-HT2a (subtype of serotonin receptor) and postsynaptic α2adrenergic receptors, as well as neuronal Ca2+ channels are also involved in the unique mechanism of action of mitragynine.

Kratom has been traditionally used as fresh or dried leaves that are chewed or steeped into tea.

At lower dosages, Kratom is used for its stimulant effects and is used to combat fatigue.

At higher dosages, Kratom can have more of a sedative and anxiolytic effect. And has also been used in traditional and natural medicine as an alternative to opiate medications.

Currently, Mitragyna speciosa is legal to buy in most European countries and in most states in the USA.

But some EU countries, such as Denmark, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, and Sweden, Mitragyna speciosa and/or mitragynine and 7-HMG are controlled drugs.

Kratom is listed as a controlled substance in Australia, Malaysia, Myanmar, and Thailand (which has legalized the use of Kratom and cannabis plants for medicinal use on December 2018).

In New Zealand, Mitragyna speciosa and mitragynine are controlled under the Medicines Amendment Regulations. In the USA, Kratom is not controlled on a federal level though considered as a ‘drug of concern’.[vii]

Kratom is a potent option for its pain-relieving qualities and as a neuro-stimulant.[viii] And its legal use will continue to be debated.

With ordinary people pressing for maintaining its availability as a supplement. While pharmaceuticals and mainstream medicine fight to have it scheduled as a restricted substance.

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How does Kratom work in the brain?

Kratom boosts brain health and function in several ways. But two in particular stand out.

  1. Kratom helps reduce pain. Kratom has traditionally been used to treat various types of diseases especially in Thailand and Malaysia. Its anti-inflammatory and analgesic properties in its crude form are well documented.

Research shows that mitragynine, the major alkaloid compound found in young leaves of Mitragyna speciosa affects the norepinephrine and serotonin pathways in the brain. Contributing to its pain-relief qualities.[ix]

Studies also show that mitragynine significantly inhibits mRNA expression of COX-1 and COX-2, and the production of prostaglandin E2 (PGE2). Meaning Kratom “may be useful for the treatment of inflammatory conditions.”[x]

  1. Kratom is an anxiolytic and antidepressant. Kratom users often speak of Kratom’s ability to lift mood and tame anxiety soon after taking it. And researchers have confirmed its anti-anxiety and antidepressant qualities in several animal studies.

Researchers in Malaysia treated Sprague-Dawley rats with 10, 20 and 40 mg/kg of mitragynine or 10 mg/kg of the benzodiazepine diazepam 60 minutes before testing. The Kratom dosage was selected based on human equivalent doses from previous reports.

The study revealed that mitragynine produced anxiolytic effects similar to diazepam. Which was attributed to interactions among opioid, GABA and dopamine regions of the brain.[xi]

Another Malaysian study evaluated the antidepressant effect of mitragynine in mice. The mice received 10 mg/kg and 30 mg/kg of mitragynine.

The researchers said, “mitragynine exerts an antidepressant effect” in mice. And the effect appeared to be mediated by an interaction with the neuroendocrine HPA axis system.[xii]

Mitragynine is the main alkaloid in Kratom.

How things go bad

Seems just being human guarantees each of us will need to deal with anxiety, depression and pain at some point in our lives.

And if left unchecked can result in:

↑ Chronic inflammation

↑ Accelerated aging

↑ High blood pressure

↑ Increased pain

↑ Anxiety and/or depression

If you choose to be treated with prescription drugs, it could result in side effects like decreased alertness, brain fog, slower thinking, poor memory and possible decline in mood.

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Kratom benefits

Neurohackers report using Kratom to alleviate chronic pain, as an antidepressant and anti-anxiety supplement, for energy at lower dosages, and for sleep at higher dosages.

Kratom has also helped thousands to withdraw from opiates. Because the compounds mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine bind to same opiate receptors as prescription pain meds. But without the danger of respiratory failure.

Christopher McCurdy at the University of Mississippi National Center for Natural Products Research used mouse models for Kratom research.

In one study, McCurdy’s team gave mice two doses of morphine daily for 5 days. Doubling it each day until the mice were addicted to morphine.

The control group then received naloxone which is used to reverse heroin overdose. And subsequently went through the physical symptoms of opiate withdrawal.

The other group of mice received freeze-dried Kratom tea daily for 5 days. The animals displayed a significant reduction in withdrawal side effects.

The scientists then repeated the test with extracts of pure mitragynine in place of Kratom tea. Which caused the residual withdrawal side effects of opiate withdrawal to vanish completely.[xiii]

How does Kratom feel?

You feel the affects of Kratom within 30 minutes of your first dose.

A 2017 Grundman survey of 10,000 Kratom users aged 31 – 50 years, the majority having used Kratom from 6 months to 5 years, reported the following benefits:

  • increased energy
  • decreased pain
  • increased focus
  • less depressed mood
  • less anxious mood
  • reduced or stopped use of opioid painkillers
  • reduced PTSD symptoms
  • elevated mood

99.35% of survey respondents answered “no” to the question asking if “medical or mental health care treatment was needed because of Kratom consumption?”

20.93% of respondents reported the only negative effects of using Kratom was nausea or constipation.[xiv]

The Pain News Network conducted a survey of over 6,400 Kratom users in 2017. Survey respondents reported the most common reason for using Kratom was pain management.

Followed by using Kratom for anxiety, opioid addiction or dependence, and depression. The majority reported that they didn’t think Kratom was harmful. And the majority said they could NOT get a high from using Kratom.[xv]

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Kratom Clinical Research

Kratom helps control pain

Mu-opioid receptor agonists are the mainstays of pain management. But the therapeutic use of these drugs is associated with serious side effects, including potentially lethal respiratory depression.

So, there is an ongoing search for new opioid analgesics which are safer.

Kratom is an unusual class of opioid receptor modulator with a distinct mechanism of action.

Researchers found that mitragynine and the oxidized analogue 7-hydroxymitragynine found in Kratom, are partial agonists of the human mu-opioid receptor and competitive antagonists at the kappa- and delta-opioid receptors.

But mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine are also G-protein-biased agonists of the mu-opioid receptor, which do not recruit β-arrestin following receptor activation.

Which means that Kratom provides the pain relief associated with prescription opioid medication. But without the potentially lethal side effect of respiratory depression.[xvi]

Kratom as an anti-depressant

Many neurohackers report that Kratom is effective in relieving their anxiety and depression.

And a 2018 study confirmed these findings in a systematic review of all studies on Kratom use and mental health published between January 1960 and July 2017.

Participants in these studies confirmed that Kratom enhanced their mood and reduced anxiety symptoms. The study authors noted that Kratom also has potential as an opioid substitute for people addicted to opioids.[xvii]

Kratom for withdrawal from opiate addiction

Surveys of regular Kratom users often report its primary use is to help people quit opiates and avoid withdrawal symptoms. And research in animals support what neurohackers report.

Researchers at Prince of Songkla University in Thailand investigated the effects of Kratom extract on morphine withdrawal in mice.

Male Swiss Albino mice were given morphine until they were dependent on it. The mice were then given injections of naloxone, an opioid agonist, to induce morphine withdrawal symptoms.

The mice were tested then given Mitragyna speciosa extract and tested again. The Kratom extract significantly reduced the severity of morphine withdrawal symptoms.

And the researchers concluded, “treatment with the M. speciosa alkaloid extract may be useful for opiate addiction treatment program.”[xviii]

Kratom Recommended Dosage

Dosage of Kratom is key when your goal are specific effects. Dose too low, and you’ll get no benefit. But dose too high and you’ll experience relatively harmless, but usually unpleasant side effects like diarrhea, the sweats, or even vomiting.

how long Kratom work?And Kratom has a short half-life, so you need to dose it several times a day to keep stable levels in your system.

Recommended dosage of Kratom is:

  • Mild effects – 1 – 2 grams
  • Moderate effects – 2 – 5 grams
  • High effects – 6 – 15 grams

Note that potency can vary a lot between different strains of Kratom. And even which area Kratom is harvested. There is no ‘standardized’ dosage. Instead dosage is based on experience and user reports.

Typically, lower dosages are more stimulating and higher dosages more sedating.

But every Kratom strain has a general, optimal dose for its therapeutic value, and for its ‘feel-good’ effects. Anything above this ideal dosage can have unpleasant effects.

And most people find that Kratom works more effectively when consumed on an empty stomach. Taken with a meal could nullify or dramatically reduce its effects.

The traditional method of using Kratom in Southeast Asia was using fresh leaves, removing stems and veins, bundling the leaves, and chewing the leaves.

The “toss ‘n’ wash” method of dosing Kratom is chasing the powder with water. Not recommended.

Kratom tea is a common method of using it. Simmer powdered Kratom in water for 20 minutes and drink the tea. Easier to drink, but if you strain out the soggy Kratom powder before drinking, you’ll lose some of the valuable, medicinal value of the plant.

Adding lemon juice to your Kratom tea can increase the bioavailability of its alkaloid content.

You can also mix measured Kratom powder with yogurt, applesauce, juice, peanut butter or chocolate milk.

My preferred method is making capsules of Kratom powder. It’s convenient, eliminates the unpleasant taste, and provides the desired therapeutic benefit within 20 minutes of swallowing the capsules.

You can help avoid Kratom tolerance by supplementing with magnesium because this mineral is a NMDA receptor antagonist.[xix]

Kratom Side Effects

The most common side effects associated with Kratom use is nausea and constipation.  But others may include muscle tremors, itching, sweating, dizziness, and dry mouth.

There have been unsubstantiated reports that Kratom could cause seizure and hallucinations in some people.

Abruptly stopping long-term Kratom use could result in withdrawal symptoms including insomnia, diarrhea and fever. Some neurohackers have reported feeling nervous, tense, angry or sad when stopping Kratom.[xx]

The American FDA has reported some deaths among Kratom users. But none have been substantiated. In fact, The New England Journal of Medicine did a systematic review of 15 kratom-related deaths.

And the researchers concluded none of the deaths were caused by Kratom. But that there is an “increased risk of adverse events” when Kratom is ingested with opioids or psychoactive drugs.[xxi]

Studies with animals show that Kratom even at dosages of 1,000 mg/kg daily for 14 days will not cause death.[xxii] But did produce severe liver damage and minor kidney damage. That’s the equivalent daily dosage of 72 grams in a 160 lb. (72 kg) human.

If you are dealing with liver or kidney problems, use caution when using Kratom. Particularly at higher dosages.

If you are pregnant or intend on becoming pregnant you should avoid using Kratom.

Those who have problems with addiction to alcohol and other drugs are at increased risk of abusing Kratom.

And Kratom may worsen existing mental disorders. So if you are dealing with clinical depression, suicidal thoughts or other neurological disorder, and especially if you are using anti-anxiety or antidepressant medication for these disorders, you should not use Kratom.

Types and where to buy Kratom

Kratom is sold as capsules, tablets, powder, concentrated extract, gum or raw leaves.

Leaf alkaloid content varies from plant to plant, and from strain to strain. The most popular strains for pain relief both red and green veined versions are:

  • Bali
  • Borneo
  • Indo
  • Maeng Da

Red vein versions of the above Kratom strains tend to be more reliable for pain relief. And the general consensus is that Maeng Da is most potent of all.

Most strains of Kratom can help depression and anxiety. But differences in strain can change the type of experience you’ll have.

In general, the following red and green strains will help lift mood at higher dosages. And lower dosages of the same strains may be somewhat stimulating.

  • Bali
  • Borneo
  • Indo

You can also buy water-based extracts of Kratom. These extracts have more alkaloid content than regular Kratom. One option is adding some extract to regular Kratom to potentiate its pain-relieving effects.

Kratom resin extracts are made using a solvent to extract the alkaloids which is then left to dry. You get the full spectrum of effects of regular Kratom at much smaller dosages of resin.

Adulteration of Kratom is an ongoing problem and you must use caution when selecting your Kratom vendor. Because anything other than pure, dried Kratom leaves or a verified extract can cause severe side effects.

Researchers at the School of Pharmacy at the University of Massachusetts purchased several commercially available Kratom products for analysis. And found multiple Kratom products to have substantially higher concentrations (109–520%) of 7-hydroxymitragynine than those found in raw Kratom leaves.

The problem is that 7-hydroxymitragynine, a potent mu-opioid receptor agonist, is likely to be a major contributing factor to the addictive potential of Kratom.[xxiii]

Buying ready-made capsules of Kratom is not only more expensive, but riskier because unless you are buying from a fully vetted vendor, you can’t be sure what’s in the capsule.

I highly recommend avoiding capsules from the corner shop. And buying Kratom powder from a company you trust.

My personal recommendation is a company based in the USA, and one of the only companies I’m aware of who do third-party testing on all their product and follow Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) – Super Speciosa.

Super Speciosa offers several different strains of Kratom, and tests all their product for purity, yeast and mold, bacteria, pesticides and heavy metals. And are members of the American Kratom Association.

You can check out the Super Speciosa line of products here: Super Speciosa.

Nootropics Expert Recommendation

Nootropics Expert Tested and ApprovedKratom 1 – 15 grams per day

I recommend using Kratom as a nootropic supplement.

Your body does not make Kratom on its own. So to get its benefits you must take it as a supplement.

Kratom is especially helpful for those dealing with chronic pain, and fatigue.

Kratom is a powerful nootropic supplement. It may help you avoid or even get off opioids you’ve been on for years. With fewer withdrawal symptoms.

Kratom at lower dosages can provide a gentle stimulant effect. And at higher dosages can help you deal better with anxiety and depression.

Some find Kratom especially helpful for insomnia. And not needing to rely on problematic prescription sleep aids.

You can safely take up to 15 grams of Kratom daily if needed. But dosed 5 grams at a time and preferably before you eat.

You can help prevent tolerance by taking Kratom with magnesium because this mineral helps block receptors associated with tolerance.

I highly recommend choosing your Kratom vendor or supplier wisely. I’ve tried and recommend  Super Speciosa and know their product is pure.

 

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[v] Stolt, A.-C., Schröder, H., Neurath, H., Grecksch, G., Höllt, V., Meyer, M.R., Maurer, H.H., Ziebolz, N., Havemann-Reinecke, U., Becker, A. “Behavioral and neurochemical characterization of kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) extract” Psychopharmacology Volume 231, Issue 1, January 2014, Pages 13-25 (source)

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[vii] Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) Drug Profile. European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (accessed on 03 August 2019) (source)

[viii] Harun N., Hassan, Z., Navaratnam, V. et al. “Discriminative stimulus properties of mitragynine (kratom) in rats” Psychopharmacology (2015) 232: 2227. (source)

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[x] Utar Z., et. al. “Mitragynine inhibits the COX-2 mRNA expression and prostaglandin E2 production induced by lipopolysaccharide in RAW264.7 macrophage cells” Journal of Ethnopharmacology Volume 136, Issue 1, 14 June 2011, Pages 75-82 (source)

[xi] Hazim A.I., Ramanathan, S., Parthasarathy, S. et. al. “Anxiolytic-like effects of mitragynine in the open-field and elevated plus-maze tests in rats” The Journal of Physiological Sciences (2014) 64: 161. (source)

[xii] Idayu N.F., et. al. “Antidepressant-like effect of mitragynine isolated from Mitragyna speciosa Korth in mice model of depression” Phytomedicine Volume 18, Issue 5, 15 March 2011, Pages 402-407 (source)

[xiii] Arnst J. “The science behind kratom’s strange leaves” American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology July 01 2017 (source)

[xiv] Grundmann O. “Patterns of Kratom use and health impact in the US-Results from an online survey.” Drug and Alcohol Dependence. 2017 Jul 1;176:63-70 (source)

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Join The Discussion - 91 comments

Derek Morrison
April 4, 2022

So if I have a high tolerance for kratom…and I am looking for an energy booster using White Mange Dae, would I be able to receive an energy booster or would I just get a sedation because of my tolerance?

    David Tomen
    April 4, 2022

    Derek, I do not know what effect that strain of Kratom will have on you. It varies from person to person. For example, my wife finds Green Bali to be very stimulating while I find it only works for pain.

Stevan Wilcox
March 18, 2022

Dear Mr. Tomen, my name is Stevan Wilcox and am quite impressed with your knowledge and also the format of your videos. I need some advise and am willing to pay for consultations, however the advice is not for me but for my daughter Chelsea. She has Recently been diagnosed with Guillain Barre Syndrome (possibly vaccine related) and I would like to have you discuss some possible options with her. I would prefer to have you talk directly to her. Can we set up an appointment with her directly?

Claudine M Diamond
March 17, 2022

I am looking for an expert regarding the supplement, Kratom. I needs someone to look at records of purchases and medical records to determine if someone is addicted to Kratom. Can you help me locate someone?

    David Tomen
    March 17, 2022

    Claudine, records of purchases and medical records is not going to tell you if someone is “addicted” to Kratom.

    That’s like looking at the purchase records and medical records of someone who uses alcohol to determine if they are an alcoholic. Life does not work that way Claudine.

    Ask anyone you know in a Twelve Step program about this. And you’ll find alcoholics who are binge drinkers but their records would show they had not purchased any kind of alcohol for the last month. But when they drink they black out. That is one of the indicators of alcoholism.

    I can only imagine why you are asking this. But I’m afraid you are going at this the wrong way.

Mario
December 9, 2021

Hi David,

In the first place thanks for your exquisite list (and info sheet) of all those nootropics/vitamins here.

I have GAD and since half a year ago, it has worsened by a lot. The most pronounced symptom that got worse beside the anxiety was muscle pain, I guess because of stress..

During that time, I came across your big list and tried a lot (basically all of them) to cope with my situation. Except ‘methylene blue’ though, I’ve never really felt a pronounced positive effect. I stopped using MB after a few trials though; I never couldn’t manage to NOT get blue stains all over the place (which are hard to clean too) despite careful covering my work bureau and wearing rubber gloves. Wouldn’t hurt to add that to your description here if I can be so free.

Now my point.. Of your list, kratom is the one I’ve been using for about 2 years and had great luck with it so far. It helped me to get rid of the dexedrine. However the benefits seem to shrink nowadays (even after starting to cycle strains) and it also depletes my iron levels (which i need to take high dose tablets of now). So I’m looking for something else to improve my anxiety and lack of energy which my kratom doesn’t really manage to succeed in any longer..

I’ve had few luck with dozens of medications prescribed in the past: only dexedrine, nardil, memantine and tramadol helped but all just temporarily..

I do admit that maybe I haven’t given all the mentioned supplements enough time to deliver my needs.. Is there perhaps one I should be more patient with? Or any other advice you could give me?

Thanks in advance for reading this and any kind of suggestion of your end. It’d mean a lot to me.

Kind regards

    David Tomen
    December 10, 2021

    Marlo, the mechanism of action for Kratom is closer to Tramadol than the other drugs on your list. And the first 3 affect dopamine and/or norepinephrine primarily.

    Have you tried L-Tyrosine to increase dopamine? This neurotransmitter is involved in muscle movement, learning and memory, libido, energy and more.

    I suggest trying a simple stack like L-Tyrosine, Alpha GPC, ALCAR, DHA, magnesium, and high quality, bioactive multivitamin and see how that works for you.

    Set up a consultation with me if you want to dive deeper into this. It would likely reduce your experimenting by a few months. Here is a link to my calendar if you are interested: https://calendly.com/davidtomen/60min

Jurgen
December 6, 2021

Hi, I started using Kratom very recently. I already feel nice relaxing mild euphoric effects from 1500mg Super Green Maeng Da. Online I read discussions about that Kratom might lower Acetycholine and even people experiencing memory loss from it. Is this indeed a risk with Kratom?

I am 44 years old, healthy, no memory loss, but I do detect that I was sharper in the mind years ago.

A neurotransmitter questionaire I did recently (Braverman) came to the conclusion that I am quite deficient in Acetylcholine. Therefore I recently started taking 2x 250mg AlphaGPC per day (9 am and 3 pm) and I have the idea that it is doing something, but I just started 2 weeks or so so need to continue to see.

The first thing I noticed is that I can maintain my arousal level during sex better. I understood that acetycholine is also very important for arousal. Sometimes my arousal level drops if for example we are experimenting or trying new stuff or I am distracted or whatever. This doesn’t help. But since I started the AlphaGPC this seems to be less of a problem.

Does this mean I was really very deficient on acetylcholine? Should I worry about getting Alzheimer when I am older? Is taking the AlphaGPC a good preventive measure for that? Any other supplements I should take?

Earlier this year I had some anxiety episodes and managed to resolve this by boosting Gaba and such, but now I found out about the acetylcholine I think that might be the cause. My Gaba, Serotonine and Dopamine scored sufficient in that Braverman test.

I am planning to use the Kratom only for recreational purposes about 2 times per week.

    David Tomen
    December 6, 2021

    Jurgen, my research into Kratom and the neurotransmitters it effects are detailed above under the section “Overview”. And to my knowledge it does not affect acetylcholine.

    Braverman’s questionnaires seem to be an effective way to check which neurotransmitters you may be low in. And if it acetylcholine you need either Alpha GPC OR CDP-Choline 2 – 3-times per day AND Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALCAR) which is a cofactor in the synthesis of acetylcholine. As well as thiamine (Vitamin B1).

    Everyone needs to worry about Alzheimer’s as they get older. But that is more about aggregation of Amyloid-B proteins and tau tangles. More on how to avoid that in this article: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-the-aging-brain/

      Jurgen
      December 7, 2021

      Hi, I’ve read your ALCAR article but I am bit confused on recommended dosing. Certainly after this: Longecity: A Case for Very Low Dose ALCAR?

      Should I start with 500mg in morning together with my 250mg morning dose of AlphaGPC?

      Are you sure the ALCAR will only do me good?

        David Tomen
        December 7, 2021

        Jurgen, it depends on who you consider an authority I suppose. My recommended dosage for ALCAR is based on Clinical Studies and practical user experience.

        The usual suggested dosage for ALCAR is 500 – 1,500 mg per day. If it is 1,500 mg that would be 500 mg 3-times per day. But it has been my experience that the last dose taken at 4 pm disturbs my sleep so I discontinued it.

        Alpha GPC provides a choline molecule for the synthesis of acetylcholine. And ALCAR is a required cofactor in the synthesis of acetylcholine along with Vitamin B1, Vitamin B3, and Vitamin B5.

        The only way to judge if ALCAR works for you is to try it. I know of no other way to test it in someone’s system.

Chris Drennen
August 30, 2021

How am I supposed to choose from 20 different strains if I don’t know anything about them? They all look the same and the site does not describe how they are different. What is the most popular one to start out with, if you are looking to use it for pain and/or anxiety?

    David Tomen
    August 30, 2021

    Chris, scroll back up to this section “Types and where to buy Kratom” where I tell you in general what different strains do.

    As a general rule of thumb in my experience it’s Green Bali for pain relief and Red Bali for anxiety and depression. Organa Kratom also has more information about strains on their site.

    Bottom line is you need to experiment on your own. Choose a couple of very different strains and start with low doses and see how it goes.

dave
August 29, 2021

Hello mr. Tomen, are there any known contraindications between Kratom and blood pressure meds + betablocker? What if i lower the dose to say 1 gram just to be sure for this person of 80 yo of age?

Could you also recommend a technical/scientific med book on brain chemistry?

Thank you.

    David Tomen
    August 29, 2021

    Dave, not that I am aware of. Kratom however does affect certain liver enzymes and if those enzymes are needed by certain meds, those meds may not work as well because Kratom is blocking that enzyme. I cannot give you specifics because there are several enzymes affected and specific meds affected.

    The only thing I can suggest is doing a general search like this: “Kratom” AND “name of the specific med” and see if anything turns up in the search results.

Bob
August 25, 2021

Hi David,
Thank you for your website, I have been a better person since then and I owe everything to you. I would like to know a few things if it was possible

– When you say you take 9 grams of Kratom for Pain and your wife 12 grams, do you mean how many doses distributed throughout the day? or all at one time?

– Could you please give me a link of size “00” capsule maker from Amazon or another page? I already have the capsules, I am missing the machine “00” capsules.

– Should I take Bioperine every time I take Kratom to get results or is it optional and in which cases?

– When you talk about how to stop Kratom abruptly in the long term it could result in withdrawal symptoms like insomnia, etc. Do you mean a consumption of grams above the one you recommend (15 grams) or even with the recommended dose, could that happen? If so, would you please recommend an example of how you recommend leaving it?

    David Tomen
    August 26, 2021

    Bob, the 9 grams and 12 grams are bit of an exaggeration because I mean 9 “00” capsules and they only hold about 800 mg. But yes, taken in one dose.

    If you add BioPerine to it you can reduce your dose because I’ve found Piperine potentiates Kratom.

    This is the “00” capsule machine I use: https://amzn.to/3mCmGs0. And can make 100 capsules in about 10 minutes. I have it to the point where I can make 600 capsules in about 45 minutes. It helps to buy “separated 00 capsules” (https://amzn.to/2Wm5jkM) otherwise you need to pull each capsule apart before loading the machine.

    Kratom is powerful and needs to be respected. If you use it daily for a month you’ll go through withdrawal when you abruptly stop using it. The withdrawal symptoms subside within 2 – 4 days and are nothing like getting off of benzos or other drugs. But it does not feel pleasant. More like a medium case of the flu.

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