CDP-Choline (Cytidine Diphosphate Choline or cytidine 5′-diphosphocholine) is also known as Citicoline. This naturally occurring choline source is present in every cell in your body.
CDP-Choline is unique as a choline source. Once it’s digested it separates into cytidine and choline. When it gets to your brain it converts back to CDP-Choline.
This choline is needed to synthesize the neurotransmitter acetylcholine (ACh). ACh is a primary neurotransmitter released by neurons. This electrical signaling between neurons is involved in memory, learning, cognition and recall.
Cytidine is a component of Ribonucleic acid (RNA). This molecule is involved in coding, decoding, regulation and the expression of genes. But once it gets into the brain, it converts to uridine.
The signaling going on between neurons tends to grab choline molecules from cell membranes when choline is in short supply. This is where uridine steps in. It repairs those same cell membranes. To maintain neuron integrity.
CDP-Choline helps:
- Brain Optimization: CDP-Choline provides uridine once it enters in the brain. Uridine repairs, rebuilds and re-supplies the components needed for neuron repair. To keep signaling between neurons optimized for memory, learning, cognition and recall.
- Neurotransmitters: CDP-Choline enhances the release of norepinephrine, dopamine, serotonin, and acetylcholine in the brain.[i] [ii]
- Brain Energy: CDP-Choline increases Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) in brain cells. ATP is produced in your mitochondria and your main source of cellular energy.
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Overview
CDP-Choline is a type of choline that is present in every cell in your body. You can also get it from eating organ meats like liver.
Choline is considered an essential nutrient because your body uses it faster than it can produce it. So you need to supplement choline either from food or a supplement.
You need choline for the production of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. And to form phosphatidylcholine (PC), used in building cell membranes.
In fact, choline is so vital to cognition and nerve function that, without it, we couldn’t move, think, sleep or remember anything.
CDP-Choline has the unique ability to convert to cytidine and choline once it passes through your digestive system. After it crosses the blood-brain barrier, it converts back to CDP-Choline.
The left-over cytidine in your blood can convert into uridine in your brain. Uridine is necessary for repairing cell membranes.
CDP-Choline is involved in memory and cognitive functions. And provides energy for the brain to conduct sustained mental effort.
CDP-Choline vs. Alpha GPC vs. Choline Bitartrate: What’s the Difference?
Choline is a water-soluble nutrient similar in composition to B-vitamins. CDP-Choline, Alpha GPC, Choline Citrate and Choline Bitartrate are all sources of choline.
CDP-Choline (cytidine 5′-diphosphocholine): Is about 18% choline by weight and easily crosses the blood-brain barrier. Your body naturally synthesizes choline into CDP-Choline (Citicoline) in your brain.
Taken as a supplement, it’s then converted to cytidine and choline in your gut. Once it crosses the blood-brain barrier it’s converted back to CDP-Choline. The choline then assists cell membranes, and helps create acetylcholine.
The added benefit of CDP-Choline is with cytidine. Cytidine can convert into uridine which is critical in the brain. Uridine is needed to synthesize the phosphatidylcholine (PC) in neuron membranes. It helps repair neurons.
Choline Bitartrate: An economical form of choline, and about 40% choline by weight. So 1 gram of Choline Bitartrate offers 400 mg of actual choline. It does not easily cross the blood-brain barrier. So you won’t experience the same level of nootropic benefits as with Alpha GPC or CDP-Choline.
Alpha GPC: About 40% choline by weight and easily crosses the blood-brain barrier. Alpha GPC naturally occurs in your brain as a byproduct of phosphatidylcholine (PC). When your brain needs more choline, and the choline floating around in your brain is running low, it breaks down PC from cell membranes. And turns it into Alpha GPC.
Your body and brain loves it when you use Alpha GPC. Because it doesn’t have to cannibalize its own cells to get more choline.
How does CDP-Choline Work in the Brain?
CDP-Choline boosts brain health and function in several ways. But two in particular stand out.
- CDP-Choline is metabolized in the gut wall and liver to form choline and cytidine. Once choline and cytidine cross the blood-barrier they re-synthesize back into CDP-Choline (Citicoline).[iii]
In the brain choline aids in the synthesis of acetylcholine. And the release of dopamine.[iv] Acetylcholine is a neurotransmitter associated with memory and learning.
- CDP-Choline helps repair neural membranes. Choline is a precursor to the neurotransmitter acetylcholine (ACh) in your brain. ACh carries nerve impulses across synapses. And then is broken down by enzymes.
ACh is then reassembled for reuse. But this breakdown/reassembly process isn’t foolproof. Some ACh gets lost in the process. So your brain goes looking for more choline to make ACh.
If there isn’t enough choline in your blood, it gets it from the phosphatidylcholine (PC) that makes up the outside of the cell membrane of your neurons. The PC in the cell membrane releases choline to help make acetylcholine.
When your neurons lose too much choline, they lose integrity. Nerve impulses break down, and cognitive abilities decline.[v]
Scientists in the lab at MIT showed that this is where uridine steps in. The cytidine in CDP-Choline converts to uridine in your body. And it works as a bridge between choline and neuron membrane synthesis.
Uridine is needed to synthesize the PC in neuron membranes. It is first converted to CDP-Choline. Which is then synthesized into new PC. This new PC can then repair damaged neuron membranes. Membranes that were raided to make acetylcholine.[vi]
How things go bad
As we get older, our brain chemistry and energy metabolism changes. This can happen at any age once we enter our adult years.
↓ Brain cell membranes degenerate
↓ Recall, reaction time and mood diminish
↓ Acetylcholine levels decline[vii]
All of these changes can happen at any age. And our bodies are influenced by the food we eat, what we drink, lifestyle habits, the air we breathe and more.
So CDP-Choline can help for age-related cognitive decline, as well as a student looking to do better in school. By boosting acetylcholine and dopamine. And rebuilding neurons in the brain.
CDP-Choline benefits
Research from hundreds of studies have shown that CDP-Choline will:
- Boost cognition[viii]
- Increase brain energy and speed up formation of brain membranes[ix]
- Boost production of acetylcholine[x]
- Increase blood flow to the brain[xi]
- Offset the harmful effects of stroke[xii]
- Improve memory and learning ability[xiii]
- Boost cognitive performance and memory in Alzheimer’s patients[xiv]
CDP-Choline is water-soluble and quickly enters your brain after you take it. In fact, studies show it has nearly 100% bioavailability in your body. Take it orally or intravenously and your body absorbs the same amount.
Once in your brain it boosts signal transmission, and repairs neurons. CDP-Choline improves your brain function and memory by directly increasing levels of acetylcholine and dopamine. And repairs neurons at the same time.
How does CDP-Choline feel?
The most profound indication of the power of this supplement is with those who have suffered a stroke.
Stroke survivors report that after continued usage of CDP-Choline, most of the noticeable effects of the stroke are gone. Including muscle paralysis and weakness.
Neurohackers report they are better able to concentrate and focus. And experience a significant boost in cognition.
You can feel more mentally alert. And you may even ease the fatigue associated with clinical depression by using CDP-Choline.
Some use CDP-Choline as an alternative to the stimulants prescribed for ADHD.
CDP-Choline Clinical Research
In a study at the University of Utah, 75 healthy males were given 250 mg, 500 mg of CDP-Choline, or a placebo. Tests were recorded after 28 days of supplementation.
The adolescent males receiving 250 or 500 mg of CDP-Choline showed improved attention and psychomotor speed. And reduced impulsivity compared to adolescent males who received placebo.
This study indicates CDP-Choline is effective even in younger age groups. And can be particularly helpful to those dealing with ADHD.[xv]
CDP-Choline Enhances Cognition
A study published in Food and Nutrition Sciences assessed the potential cognitive-enhancing effects of Citicoline (CDP-Choline) in healthy, adult women.
This double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial worked with 60 healthy women from 40 – 60 years old. Each volunteer was given a daily dose of 250 mg or 500 mg of Citicoline, or a placebo for 28 days.
The women who took either dose of Citicoline for 28 days showed a significant improvement in cognition.
The researchers suggested that Citicoline may improve attentional performance in middle-aged women. And it might eliminate the attention deficits associated with central nervous system disorders (i.e. ADHD).
CDP-Choline Improves Memory
Researchers in Japan studied 16 men and women who were given either 500 mg or 2000 mg of Citicoline for 6 weeks. Magnetic resonance spectroscopy (MRS) was used to study the brains of the participants at the end of the study.
The research team found ATP in the neurons of those in the study increased by over 14%. And membrane phospholipids were boosted by over 32%. These finding were in specific areas of the brain associated with cognition. And the effect was even more pronounced in the group that received the lower dose of Citicoline.
The researchers concluded that Citicoline supplementation could help prevent cognitive decline associated with aging. Along with an increase in brain energy reserves and utilization. And an increase in the components needed to synthesize and maintain cell membranes.
CDP-Choline Recommended Dosage
Recommended CDP-Choline dosage is 250 – 500 mg per day. Taken no more than twice per day. Two daily doses would be one CDP-Choline dose in the morning, and one in the early afternoon.
If you’re adding CPD-Choline to your stack with a racetam, a typical ratio would be 250 mg of Citicoline to 1 gram of Aniracetam or 4 grams of Piracetam.
CDP-Choline Side Effects
Recommended dosages even for extended periods are considered well-tolerated and safe. While CDP-Choline is considered non-toxic, it is possible to experience toxicity with too much choline in your body.
If you experience trouble sleeping, headache, diarrhea, low or high blood pressure, nausea, blurred vision or chest pain – you should stop using CDP-Choline.
Type of CDP-Choline to Buy
CDP-Choline is sold in capsule and powder form. Capsules are usually 250 – 500 mg each. 500 mg of CDP-Choline in powder form is equivalent to 2-level 1/8 tsp scoops.
Cognizin® is a patented, allergen-free, and water-soluble form of CDP-Choline shown in clinical trials to boost brain cell membrane formation by 26%. And increase brain energy by 13.6%.[xvi]
CDP-Choline is often found in pre-formulated nootropic stacks. But as Cognizin® is only offered in premium stacks.
For example, Mind Lab Pro® includes effective doses of 11 brain enhancing nootropic compounds including 250 mg of Citicoline. And Performance Lab® Mind includes 250 mg of Cognizin®.
I recommend Mind Lab Pro® because it addresses all aspects of anxiety, memory and cognitive enhancement, stabilizes mood, brain repair, and maintenance. See my full Mind Lab Pro review for more.
A great alternative is the Performance Lab® Mind supplement which is made to be used with the Performance Lab® NutriGenesis Multi. Which supplies the core essential vitamins and minerals for overall brain and body health.
Nootropics Expert Recommendation
CDP-Choline 250 – 500 mg per day
I recommend using CDP-Choline as a nootropic supplement.
CDP-Choline is brain food. And is a natural substance found in every cell in your body.
You can get choline from some of the food you eat. But adequate levels of CDP-Choline are only found in organ meats like liver. So to get its benefits you must take it as a supplement.
CDP-Choline is vital to maintaining optimal brain health. And has been shown to increase cognitive energy, boost brain function, enhance communication between neurons, and protect neural membranes from free radical damage.
Cognizin® is a patented, allergen-free, and water-soluble form of CDP-Choline available in premium nootropic stacks like Performance Lab® Mind. And you’ll get 250 mg Citicoline in Mind Lab Pro®
I suggest starting with a dose of 250 – 500 mg daily. And CDP-Choline is a great compliment to a stack including any nootropic from the racetam-family. Anything that causes an increase in uptake of acetylcholine in your brain.
You need to provide your brain with the CDP-Choline it is demanding. Or it starts cannibalizing your own brain cells to make more acetylcholine. Signs that you’re lacking adequate choline are headaches.
When using CDP-Choline with one of the racetams start with a ratio of 1:4. For example, 250 mg of CDP-Choline to 1,000 mg of Aniracetam.
Stroke survivors may want to up the dose to 2,000 mg per day.
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Hi David
I am currently on MLP. Can you recommend me a standalone of patented Cognizin for me to top up during the late noon?
Great website. I have a neurological disorder with poor sensory gating and Lecithin makes me feel 80% better. But it causes massive swelling in my stomach and pain. It happens with both sunflower and soy. I don’t have allergies but the reaction is so severe it freaks me out a bit. I have tried CDP choline and Alpha GPC but they make me dizzy and headachey. I’ve tried inositol, but that did nothing, so I’m sure it’s the combo of p-choline and possibly P-serine. Dried liver pills do help and eating eggs, but they are not the miracle lecithin is. Anything you can suggest, please? It’s so frustrating to feel like I have finally found a cure that I can’t actually take. Best wishes.
Beth, have you tried Phosphatidylserine (PS) made from sunflower? A patented version like Sharp PS Green.
The other thing is Vitamin D3 (https://nootropicsexpert.com/vitamin-d/) is regulating executive function and “sensory gating”. Do you know what your Vitamin D3 levels are?
CDP Choline seem to help with my restless leg syndrome too, I have RLS when I take stimulant like coffee.
Hello David, today it’s my first time taking CDP choline 250mg. I feel more mentally alert, focus and need less sleep. More calming which is an unexpected bonus.
I don’t understand how a mere 250mg would help me so much. Before this I eat a lot of soy and eggs which are a good source of choline but they doesn’t seems to help much in my focus unlike what CDP choline is offering.
I will update my progress with CDP choline
Jason, our food supply sucks and chances are the soy and eggs you are eating are not a good source of choline. The only true way to find out is get them tested.
If you had that kind of positive reaction to the supplement it tells you something about the quality of food we’re eating these days.
The dietary supplement market is in the billions and growing every year. But 50 years ago there wasn’t much of a supplement market. Ever wondered why?
Yes food nutrient seem really low these day, maybe the soil nutrients are depleted.
David, is it a good idea to stack cdp choline with DHA and Phosphatidylserine?
Jason, take a look at the first couple of part of this article I wrote on choosing a multivitamin here: https://nootropicsexpert.com/how-to-select-the-best-multivitamin-for-brain-function/. It details the problems with our food supply including links to studies supporting everything I said in that article.
I personally use CDP-Choline (in Mind Lab Pro), DHA (in the Performance Lab Omega-3) and a separate Phosphatidylserine supplement. And it works for me. These do stack well together. But it may not work as well for you as it does for me. Only thing to do is try it at the recommended dosages for each.
Hi David, I want to ask how can I best cover the whole cholinergic system? Can these substances be taken together? Thank you very much.
Jozef, it’s not necessary to “cover the whole cholinergic system” because many of these compounds are made in your brain and brain.
All you need to do to cover all the bases is Alpha GPC and CDP-Choline.
Can I take them together? Thank you David
Jozef, if you are referring to Alpha GPC and CDP-Choline they certainly can be used together. But if you choose to combine them be careful of how much you use. Because too much acetylcholine is not good. And will result is pretty severe side effects depending on how much in excess you used.
Thank you very much David.
Does taking CDP Choline work with a ketogenic diet? I’ve seen a mention of CDP choline supplementation spiking insulin levels, inhibiting ketone production, and overall ravaging the body and sleep cycle
Uzochi, contrary to what you may have heard, humans require adequate intake of choline including from supplements such as CDP-Choline to help to transport fats out of the liver to be used throughout your body.
Not enough choline can result in fatty liver disease. And most people are choline deficient. Supplementing with CDP-Choline is not contrary to a ketogenic diet.
For how long should I use this drug to get the ultimate result?
My dose is 500mg
Tamir, first, CDP-Choline is not a “drug”. It’s a perfectly natural source of choline and uridine.
You should feel the effects of 500 mg within 30 minutes of taking the supplement. But daily long-term use provides the most benefit.
Hello, David. I’m currently taking 450 mg. per day of Alpha GPC in addition to racetams and triacetyluridine. I’m planning on adding CDP Choline. I would alternate a day of 300 mg. CDP Choline with a day of 450 mg. Alpha GPC. The idea would be to enjoy the benefits of both while mitigating the long half life of the CDP Choline. Is this a sensible dosing regime?
Sam, sounds like a sensible way to use Alpha GPC and CDP-Choline. The key of course is ensuring you have enough acetylcholine in your brain to keep up with demand. Including your use of racetams.
Hi David,
Since choline doesn’t cross the blood-brain barrier as easily as CDP Choline, how much plain choline would you have to take (such as a supplement of 250 mg choline + 250 mg inositol) to achieve a similar effect as 250 mg of CDP choline or Alpha GPC?
Also, I received some Alpha GPC that smelled off, could you describe what it’s supposed to smell like?
Thank you!
Alex, if it’s choline bitartrate or choline citrate an equivalent dose would likely be around 1 gram.
Alpha GPC should not smell bad so it sounds like you got a bad supplement. Send it back if you can.
David Is CPD Oil as effective as taking Tryptofan supplements, or how different are its benefits for sleep?
Flavio, CBD Oil (https://nootropicsexpert.com/cbd-oil/) and L-Tryptophan (https://nootropicsexpert.com/tryptophan/) are two very different supplements.
I highly recommend that you become familiar with each of them so you understand how they work in your brain. CBD Oil for example increases the effectiveness of existing GABA, serotonin, and anandamide. While L-Tryptophan is a precursor to the synthesis of new serotonin and melatonin in your brain.
Once you understand how each one works you’ll have a better idea how each contributes to good sleep.
Hi David,
Is it possible to take CDP-Choline without the combination of Aniracetam.? What’s the worst that can happen if I take CDP-Choline and nothing else?
Flavio, most people use CDP-Choline on its own and not for stacking with Aniracetam. It’s a great stand-alone supplement. And found in quality nootropic stacks like Mind Lab Pro. They use the patented Cognizin version in their stack.
Good Morning.
Sorry for my bad English!
One question: does CDP-Choline increase dopamine or only acetylcholine?
Congratulations on the work!
Thanks!
Alexandro, CDP-Choline is a precursor to the synthesis of acetylcholine. But it also modulates the release of dopamine. It doesn’t make more dopamine. It only modulates the release of more dopamine that is already present in your brain.
Hi David, thank you for what you’re doing. I’ve been taking Cognizin for few weeks and found it highly effective. I’m interested to enhance the effect. I was wondering if taking Huperzine A or Ashwagandha would actually complement the effect? Also, is cdp considered safe when taking with Vinpocetine and Phosphatidylserine altogether?
Great channel.
MG, Cognizin is safe with Vinpocetine and Phosphatidylserine. But I would caution you about “enhancing the effect”. Because excess acetylcholine can backfire on you.
You need to find your “sweet spot” and stay with that dose. And use other supplements to support the way it works in your brain. That’s where Vinpocetine and Phosphatidylserine come in.
Thank you David, I took your advice. Few safety questions: 1. Is it safe to take it long run or it should be cycled?
2. Due to its liver toxicity, is it safe to be consumed with alcohol?
3. Is it ok to consume higher dosage than 500mg? I feel like after few hours the effect wears off..
Thanks again!
MG, CDP-Choline is NOT toxic to the liver. You can safely use 300 mg 3-times per day. So if you took a dose morning, noon, and late afternoon you should have your day covered.
There is no need to ‘cycle’ this supplement. That’s not the way it works in your brain.
Hi David,
I love your website!
I have quite bad anxiety. I then found S-AME to be very helpful, I am taking 400mg to 800mg a day but it really hurts my stomach and occasional bring diaherea even after 8 months but it does help a lot with anxiety. How would you advice me to stop taking this and switch to other supplement combination suggested by you like Aniracetam, CDP, Bacopa, Rhodiola etc? Can i just drop S-AME and start taking one of a few of them?
Thanks
Carl
Carl,
If you are getting that kind of benefit from SAM-e I suggest you keep on using it. There really is no substitute. I want to read my review of SAM-e and get a complete understanding of how it works so you know why. This comes from my review of SAM-e (https://nootropicsexpert.com/sam-e/) on how to use it:
“Take SAM-e on an empty stomach and an hour before eating any food. SAM-e is best digested in your intestines and not your stomach. Not letting SAM-e settle into your digestive tract could cause stomach upset.”
Is that how you are using SAM-e?
Hi David,
I have a question regarding our body’s ability to produce Choline naturally.
Does supplementation alter the body’s ability to produce choline?
I recently came across negative feedback loops and how supplementation causes the body to stop naturally producing certain harmones.
Could you please share some insight w.r.t choline and PQQ?
Sid, choline is NOT a hormone. It’s close in structure to the B-Vitamins.
Choline is considered an “essential” nutrient because your body uses it faster than it can produce it. So “you need to supplement choline either from food or a supplement”.
Same with PQQ. It’s NOT a hormone. It is an enzyme cofactor that is present in every one of your cells. You get PQQ from some of the food you eat including beans, celery, cocoa, fermented foods (i.e. tempeh, natto), kiwi, papaya, parsley, potatoes, spinach and wine. Babies get it from breast milk.
Estimated daily intake of PQQ is 100 – 400 mcg. But it’s unlikely you’re getting enough PQQ from diet alone. And supplementation of this mitochondria generator could help. Please read my full review to understand why PQQ is such a big deal: https://nootropicsexpert.com/pqq/
Hi David, quick question. Every time I’ve tried CDP-Choline, it’s made me extremely jittery, like 10 cups of coffee jittery. I can’t focus because I feel like I need to go run 10 miles to work out the extra energy. My genetic test says I am rs1824024:AA, meaning I have a higher level of Acetylcholine receptors. If it’s making me jittery and anxious, does that mean I don’t need anymore? Thanks
Dylan, it means you’re one of the lucky ones who need to avoid choline supplements. Or use very low doses of them. There are some people who simply can not use them. Like my wife. She reacts like you do when using CDP-Choline and avoids it like the plague.
Thanks for your help and time, David!
I had a similar experience the first time I took CDP (at 250mg) – and then taking coluracetam & fasoracetam ontop sent me into a state of insane overstimulation. But… by the fourth day it tapered off and became more tolerable. I now take 250mg every other day – because daily feels a little overkill – and taking CDP in general makes my daily regimen of racetams (colu/faso/noop.) way more effective and noticeable (and in lower doses) than NOT taking any CDP Choline.
If I take my stack like this, would adding DMAE in anywhere have any use or benefit, eg alongside CDP Choline? As I already have like >100g of DMAE anyway.
Joe, with the other nootropics you’re using I honestly don’t see any benefit to using DMAE as well. It certainly wouldn’t hurt however. It does help eliminate lipofuscin from your system. Which is a good thing.
Hello, I have a pseudocholinesterase deficiency in my BCHE gene, rs1799807 A,G which means I can’t process choline esters and should avoid cholinesterase inhibitors/ CI alkaloids. Do you know of a nootropic that I would be able to take that doesn’t interfere with that function? My daughter has the same thing and is in need of cognitive support for forming new memories. I’ve researched this to no avail, please any help in the right direction would be great. Thank you!
Cheryl, According to the Mayo Clinic, “pseudocholinesterase deficiency” means your body does not produce a sufficient amount acetylcholinesterase which is the enzyme needed to break down acetylcholine.
My understanding of this condition means you could get into trouble using any acetylcholine precursor such as Alpha GPC or CDP-Choline. If that happens, acetylcholine could rise to dangerous levels. But I’m not certain that this is true. Because all I was able to find was references to certain anesthesia drugs to avoid during surgery.
Which I believe has been your experience as well.
There is a natural acetylcholinesterase upregulator that would boost that enzyme. It’s called Forskolin. But I’m not sure it would work in your case because if there’s no acetylcholinesterase to begin with, it wouldn’t have anything to ‘upregulate’.
I’m afraid that’s all I have for now Cheryl. If I’m able to find more on this I’ll be sure the re-visit this comment.
Thank you so much for your time and answer.
Hi there!
I suffer from C-PTSD and it causes memory loss and the inability to focus. I’ve taken some prescription meds, but they often make me quite sick, so I’ve been trying to find some alternatives. I’m a PhD student and I’ve been really struggling. I just received a bottle of CDP Choline, but I honestly have no idea where to start! Any recommendations would be absolutely wonderful.
Thanks for your help!
Katie, dosage recommendations are near the bottom of this review above this comments section. Just follow the recommendations in that section.
Have you seen the article I wrote about treating PTSD symptoms with nootropics? It may give you some more ideas. You’ll find it here: https://nootropicsexpert.com/treating-post-hurricane-ptsd-with-nootropic-supplements/
Dear David,
i recently started getting into nootropics to see if they can help me alleviate my excessive negative thinking. i have a tendency to be in my mind a lot and its not a pretty place most of the time which puts me down. almost always in a bitter mood and irritable its no way to live. i want to be present and happy about it so iv started exercising regularly which seems to be helping and im taking cdp-choline and alcar and occasionally l-tyrosine if im doing a big workout. im thinking of adding pinebark extract and bacopa monieri and phosphatidylserine to my stack. i have a history with depression and attention deficiency but the psychiatric meds they put you on are not for me. they numb you without really doing anything for you. so irritability which can turn to irrational anger at times and lack of presence.
Yousef, not sure if you’re asking a question or for suggestions here. But I do suggest using L-Tyrosine twice daily (AM & noon). And to keep your increase dopamine levels as a result of this in balance with serotonin, try 500 mg L-Tryptophan before bed. Which will increase serotonin which in turn creates melatonin to help you sleep.
You may also wish to consider Lithium Orotate: https://nootropicsexpert.com/lithium-orotate/. Please read that review to see its benefits.
The rest of your stack is good. You may want to add 1,000 mg DHA and a high quality B-Complex supplement which will help the entire stack work better.
Hi David,
Thanks for the great content.
Curious, what are your thought on supplementing choline and potentially increasing TMAO levels (Trimethylamine N-oxide) in the body?
Thanks!
Rob
Rob, I’ve looked at a lot of studies on this exact subject. The problem seems to be with phosphatidylcholine (PC) from eating eggs which increases TMAO levels. But increases in mortality is primarily with diabetics and not healthy people. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4919531/
There’s something strange going on with specific microbiota particularly in diabetes according to some. Others think it may have something to do with cholesterol and homocysteine levels.
I’ve not come across any problems from using phosphatidylcholine (PC) as a supplement. Just when getting your PC from eating eggs if you’re diabetic. This has nothing to do with CDP-Choline or any other type of choline supplement.
Thank you!
So if I do aniracetam or nefiracetam I should take in addition Mind Lab Pro for the Cusp choline? Thanks
Aaron, my experience has been that using Aniracetam with Mind Lab Pro, that the Citicoline levels in MLP are not sufficient for me. But each of us is unique for a variety of reasons. You may need more CDP-Choline when using these racetams. Or you may not.
The easiest way to tell if you need more choline is if you get a racetam-headache after taking your dose. If you get a headache, and it’s unique kind of headache, you’ll know you need to increase your choline dose.