DMAE boosts alertness

Dimethylaminoethanol (DMAE / DMEA)

David Tomen
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DMAE has been shown to boost alertness, focus, memory, and mental clarity.

Key Takeaways

  1. DMAE is structurally similar to choline but not a direct precursor to acetylcholine (ACh), causing confusion about its role as a nootropic.
  2. It may provide neuroprotection by removing lipofuscin and free radicals from brain cells.
  3. DMAE boosts choline levels in the brain and stimulates cholinergic receptors, potentially leading to improved mood, energy, and sleep patterns in some people.
  4. Studies have explored its potential benefits in treating cognitive disorders and ADHD, while it is also used in cosmetics for skin-firming properties.
  5. Recommended dosage is 100-200 mg per day, with short-term or intermittent use is considered safe, but should be avoided during pregnancy or by those with epilepsy or bipolar disorder.
  6. If you decide to try DMAE I recommend: Cosmic Nootropic DMAE

DMAE (Dimethylaminoethanol, Deanol, Deaner) has two methyl groups and is structurally similar to choline, which is a direct precursor to the synthesis of acetylcholine (ACh).

ACh is a critical neurotransmitter that influences everything from memory to muscle control. And it is the relationship ACh has with DMAE that generates most of the hype around DMAE as a nootropic.

But it turns out that DMAE is NOT a precursor to acetylcholine as reported on many nootropic and brain optimization sites. However, many neurohackers report that supplementing with DMAE has worked wonders for their brain.

So here I’ll try to clear up some of the confusion and misinformation surrounding DMAE as a nootropic supplement. And if adding DMAE to your stack makes sense.

DMAE helps:

  • Neuroprotection. DMAE helps eliminate lipofuscin and free radicals from brain cells.
  • Neurotransmitters. DMAE prevents choline uptake by cells forcing more free choline to be available in your system. And DMAE stimulates cholinergic receptors that may promote the use of acetylcholine (ACh) in your brain.
  • Mood. DMAE supplementation may improve mood and energy while influencing sleep patterns.

Overview

DMAE (Dimethylaminoethanol, Deanol, Deaner) is an amine naturally produced in small amounts in your brain. High levels of DMAE are also found in seafood like anchovies and sardines.

DMAE chemical structure
DMAE

Researchers have speculated that DMAE may increase acetylcholine (ACh) levels in the brain by inhibiting choline metabolism in peripheral tissues.

By preventing the use of choline by other tissues (including acetylcholine synthesis), DMAE increases choline levels in the bloodstream.[i]

Once DMAE crosses the blood-brain barrier, it increases choline levels in the brain. So with higher choline levels present, you would expect elevated levels of acetylcholine (ACh).

But research has shown this is not always what happens when DMAE gets to your brain. In one study DMAE was rapidly taken into the brain. But when it reached synapses – nothing happened. Choline levels rose but did not convert into acetylcholine.[ii]

What’s going on here? First, we must look at how acetylcholine (ACh) is made. ACh is synthesized in a single step reaction catalyzed by the enzyme choline acetyltransferase (ChAT).[iii] The rate-limiting steps in ACh synthesis are the availability of choline and Acetyl Coenzyme A (Acetyl-CoA).

The only other source of acetylcholine (ACh) is synthetization from phosphatidylcholine (PC) via phosphatidylethanolamine N-methyltransferase (PEMT).[iv] And this ACh synthesis only happens in cholinergic receptors.

So it would appear that DMAE cannot be converted to either choline or ACh. The only way DMAE can increase choline is by inhibiting choline metabolism.

And the reason why choline levels rise in the brain when supplementing with DMAE is because the choline does not synthesize into acetylcholine (ACh).[v]

So why do some neurohackers experience a benefit in increased focus, clearer cognition, and even an antidepressant effect with DMAE?

It could be that DMAE stimulates cholinergic receptors into taking action.[vi] And with extra choline floating around because of DMAE, these neuroreceptors may decide to produce some extra ACh.[vii]

DMAE may be useful to those dealing with a choline deficiency in the brain. And studies show that DMAE effectiveness in the brain depends on the health of the cholinergic system in your brain.[viii]

But as neurohackers we have more efficient options available for boosting acetylcholine in the brain. Centrophenoxine which is a combination of DMAE and cCPA (parachlorphenoxyacetic acid) seems to boost acetylcholine in the brain much more efficiently than DMAE.

DMAE as a nootropic protects brain health by reducing lipofuscin

How does DMAE Work in the Brain?

DMAE boosts brain function and health in several ways. But two in particular stand out.

  1. DMAE is a neuroprotectant. Lipofuscin is a cellular waste product that accumulates in nerve cells in the brain as we age. It’s the same waste product that causes brown spots on skin. Lipofuscin hides in cells throughout your body including your brain, eyes, liver, kidneys, heart, adrenals and nerve cells (neurons).

Neurohackers often report that supplementing with DMAE produces enhanced vision. This vision effect may be DMAE’s ability to help remove waste like lipofuscin from cells that affect vision.

This lipofuscin removal mechanism of action by DMAE has been shown in animal studies. Researchers used Centrophenoxine injections on 17-month old female mice. The animals were injected daily for 3 months.

The researchers studied changes in pigment layers of the retina of both eyes in the mice. And found there was significant reduction of lipofuscin pigment in the treated animals.[ix]

Centrophenoxine breaks down into DMAE once in your body. And it is the DMAE in this nootropic that provides the lipofuscin scavenger affects.

  1. DMAE enhances attention and mood. DMAE has been reported by some neurohackers to improve vigilance, attention, mood and energy while alleviating depression. A study by German researchers may explain where this feeling of well-being comes from when supplementing with DMAE.

This double-blind, placebo-controlled trial used 80 human subjects evenly split between male and female. The study analyzed their brain’s electrical reaction during the presentation of five 7-minute video clips followed by a 3-minute pause for each.

This procedure was repeated after 6 and 12 weeks of daily intake of DMAE or a placebo. The subjects taking DMAE for 3 months developed significantly less theta and alpha brain waves.

Decreases in theta and alpha brain waves have been associated with increased vigilance and attention. The subjects using DMAE were also more active and felt better.

The researchers concluded that DMAE can induce a state of better feeling of well-being.[x]

How things go badDMAE helps with sleep and promotes lucid dreaming

As we get older, our brain chemistry and energy metabolism changes.

Concentration, working memory and executive function decline

↓ Cholinergic receptors degenerate

↓ DMAE levels decline

↑ Lipofuscin and free radicals build up in brain cells

All of these age-related changes could be influenced by declining DMAE levels. And are contributing factors to neurodegenerative diseases and depression.

DMAE levels are an inevitable consequence of aging. And may contribute to the onset of degenerative disease.

DMAE benefits

DMAE increases choline levels in your brain. This increase in choline and DMAE’s ability to stimulate cholinergic receptors into action may lead to an increase in acetylcholine (ACh) levels.

But DMAE does not directly elevate acetylcholine levels in the brain. DMAE is NOT a precursor to acetylcholine.[xi]

Increased ACh levels affect learning and memory. ACh helps the encoding of memories and your ability to concentrate. As neurohackers, we absolutely want to increase acetylcholine levels. Especially if our brain is low on ACh.

But DMAE is not the best way to achieve the goal of elevated ACh levels.

Research into DMAE is ongoing and there may be some benefits to supplementing with DMAE not yet known by the neurohacking or research community.[xii]

DMAE has been used to treat a variety of conditions from cognitive disorders to attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). DMAE is also used in skin care products to help reduce age spots, fine lines and wrinkles, improve skin appearance, and even reduce sagging skin.[xiii]

Free radicals can cause damage to DNA, upset cellular metabolism, and induce the creation of oxygen species that kill brain cells.[xiv] Some research has found that DMAE is a somewhat effective free radical scavenger.[xv]

DMAE has been found to diminish the extent of “cross-linking” of proteins that have been implicated in diseases like Alzheimer’s.[xvi] Researchers think this may be due to DMAE’s effectiveness as a free radical scavenger.[xvii]

DMAE is reported to induce lucid dreaming.[xviii]

How does DMAE feel?

Some neurohackers report that DMAE supplementation causes a noticeable boost in their ability to concentrate.

DMAE users often report:

Dosing more DMAE than recommended has been reported to make you feel edgy and tense. And you may experience muscles spasms, particularly in your shoulders and neck.

DMAE Nootropic boosts cognition

DMAE Clinical Research

Early DMAE Research

A prescription form of DMAE called Deaner or Deanol was in clinical use as far back as the 1960’s and 70’s. Deanol was used for the treatment of learning and behavioral problems associated with shortened attention span.

Two clinical trials conducted over 40 years ago proving the efficacy of using DMAE for treating what’s now known as ADHD are below.

But in 1983, the FDA in all their wisdom insisted on additional studies to prove the effectiveness of DMAE. And because clinical trials would have been costlier than product sales could support, the company making Deanol and Deaner took them off the market.

DMAE is now available as a nootropic supplement. One that your doctor or psychiatrist is unlikely to prescribe to you for treating your ADHD.

DMAE to Treat ADHD

One double-blind, placebo-controlled study compared the effects of DMAE supplementation with methylphenidate (Ritalin) for treating ADHD. 74 children diagnosed with learning problems and hyperactivity were referred to this study.

The children received 40 mg of Ritalin, 500 mg of DMAE or a placebo daily for 3 months. Behavior, reaction times and other psychometric tests were done before and after treatment.

Both ‘drugs’ proved to be effective according to several tests. The researchers concluded that DMAE supplementation significantly improved performance in children with learning and behavior disorders.[xix]

Another study conducted by Dr. Carl Pfeiffer of the Brain-Bio center in Princeton, New Jersey with 25 girls and 83 boys found similar results in using DMAE for treating ADHD.

In this study, Dr. Pfeiffer DMAE enhanced the behavior in 2/3 of the boys and 3/4 of the girls. Attention span was better, irritability and hyperactivity were decreased, scholastic ability improved and in some cases even IQ got a boost.[xx]

So if you’re ADHD, and using Ritalin or Adderall and looking for a natural alternative, you may want to try DMAE.

DMAE use in Cosmetics

Most of the research on DMAE in the 1950’s and 60’s centered around using this compound for cognitive function and human brain health.

The most recent research on DMAE is primarily for using the compound in skin cosmetic formulas. But too much DMAE may cause skin irritation.

DMAE has been shown to increase skin firmness even in young skin. One study with 30 healthy adults aged 36 – 49 applied DMAE gel or a placebo. The results of the study showed that DMAE-treated skin was much firmer.[xxi]

Another randomized clinical study used 3% DMAE facial gel applied daily for 16 weeks. The gel was able to reduce forehead lines, wrinkles around the eyes and improve lip shape and fullness. And the effects did not regress even 2-weeks after stopping application.

Another open-label extension of the same trial showed that long-term application of DMAE gel had a good safety profile.[xxii]

DMAE Supplements Dosage

Recommended dosage the dietary supplement DMAE is 100 – 200 mg per day.DMAE dosage

DMAE nootropic supplements are usually sold as DMAE bitartrate. A capsule of DMAE bitartrate is only 37% DMAE and the rest is 67% tartaric acid.

A 250 mg capsule of DMAE bitartrate yields 92.5 mg of actual DMAE.

Take your DMAE dose in the morning before or with breakfast. Dose DMAE a few times a week, but not every day.

If you are going to use DMAE, stack it with a good source of choline.  Remember that DMAE inhibits choline and metabolism of choline. And you absolutely need choline and the neurotransmitter acetylcholine for a fully optimized brain.

DMAE inhibits phospholipid synthesis. This means you won’t get much help with choline precursors. You need a good source of choline.

Without getting into a long explanation of the mechanics – Alpha GPC or CDP-Choline and Omega-3’s can help offset the damage caused by long-term DMAE use.

DMAE Side Effects

DMAE is considered non-toxic and safe for short-term or intermittent use. Your body naturally produces some DMAE on its own.

You shouldn’t experience any side effects as long as you use DMAE in recommended doses.

Some neurohackers report insomnia, headaches and muscle tension. Usually because the dose was too high.

If you have a negative reaction to DMAE stop using DMAE.

If you are planning on becoming pregnant do not use DMAE. Clinical studies have shown that DMAE may stunt the growth of the child’s brain.[xxiii]

If you have epilepsy or bipolar disorder you should avoid using DMAE entirely.

See “DMAE Supplements Dosage” about how to stack DMAE if you’re going to supplement with this nootropic.

Where to buy DMAE

DMAE is available in tablet, capsule, powder, liquid, creams and gels.

DMAE tablets and capsules are usually DMAE bitartrate (see “DMAE Supplements Dosage”) and 150 – 350 mg.

Depending on the size of capsule or tablet, do the conversion for pure DMAE, and start slowly with a low dose of 50 mg. And see how you respond.

If you decide to try DMAE I recommend: Cosmic Nootropic DMAE

Frequently Asked Questions

Should you take DMAE before bed?

DMAE should be used earlier in the day for its mild stimulant effect. But many users also report better sleep and lucid dreams and there is scientific evidence to support this benefit.

Why is DMAE banned?

DMAE has not been ‘banned. But neither does it have FDA approval as a drug nor a supplement. In 1983 the FDA insisted that Riker Laboratories who were producing DMAE provide additional studies to prove the effectiveness of DMAE. And because clinical trials would have been costlier than product sales could support, the company making Deanol and Deaner took them off the market. Now DMAE is sold as a nootropic supplement.

Does taking DMAE cause anxiety?

Some neurohackers report insomnia, headaches and muscle tension when using DMAE. Usually because the dose was too high.

If you have a negative reaction like anxiety then you should stop using DMAE.

What is the best way to take DMAE?

Take your DMAE dose in the morning before or with breakfast. Dose DMAE a few times a week, but not every day. You should use CDP-Choline or Alpha GPC and a good Omega-3 to help offset any potential damage while using DMAE.

How long does it take for DMAE to start working?

DMAE should starting working soon after you take it. This nootropic does not require long-term use before experiencing DMAE benefits.

Nootropics Expert Recommendation

DMAE 100 – 200 mg per day

Nootropics Expert - Tested and Not ApprovedI do NOT recommend using DMAE as a nootropic supplement. But if you must use DMAE, refer to the “DMAE Supplements Dosage” and “DMAE Side Effects” in this review.

Your body does make some DMAE on its own. But DMAE production inevitably declines with age.

Some neurohackers report that a DMAE supplement has a significant effect on concentration, memory, alertness, focus and mental clarity.

But here at Nootropics Expert, I feel there are much more effective and safe ways to improve alertness, concentration, focus, and memory.

If you’re going to use DMAE, start with 50 mg of DMAE per day. And see how you feel. Increase the dose no more than 50 mg at a time.

And watch for side effects. Don’t forget to cycle it. Take it for a few days and take a couple of days off.

If you decide to try DMAE I recommend: Cosmic Nootropic DMAE

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Mark
February 10, 2020

Hello David,

I am currently taking this stack:
6 mixed tabs contain:

Ginkgo Biloba: 6000mg (from 120mg 50:1 Extract)
N-Acetyl L-Carnitine: 1000mg
N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine: 500mg
Panax Ginseng: 400mg (from 40mg 10:1 Extract)
KSM-66® Ashwagandha (5% Withanolides): 300mg
Cognizin® Citicoline: 250mg
DMAE Bitartrate: 250mg
Caffeine: 200mg
L-Theanine: 200mg
Spanish Sage: 100mg (from 25mg 4:1 Extract)
Phosphatidyl Serine: 50mg
AstraGin®: 50mg
Vitamin B3: 16mg
Zinc: 10mg
Vitamin B5: 6mg
Vitamin B6: 1.4mg
Vitamin B12: 2.5μg

+
PER 4 SOFTGELS: Omega 3 Fish Oil 4400mg (EPA 1440mg, DHA 960mg), Vitamin D3 4000IU (2000% RI*), Astaxanthin 400µg.
+
piracetam 2400mg per day

my concern is for the Dmae bitartrate. Does the omega and cognizin offset the negative side of dmae? would taking the first stack 5/7 days per week be safe?
Should i add something on the choline side?

And for a fuller picture i also take:

Im also taking this mix as 3 tabs per day: mg per day
5HTP 200
Chamomile 120
L-Taurine 15
L-Theanine 150
L-Tryptophan 450
Magnesium 150
Montmorency Cherry Extract 60
Niacin 90
Valerian Root Extract 150
Vitamin B6 6

and the following which i take in line with the website recommendations:

zink+copper

lithium orotate

pqq

curcumin+bioperine

ubiquinol

rhodiola rosea + l-theanine

trans resveratrol + piperine

phenibut

coconut oil

It goes without saying that i rarely consume coffee, alcohol and zero soda.
I always had a history of low attention span, although being rather “bright”.
During college I went overboard with thc for a year which spilled out into memory problems.
There is a lot here and i’m worried that maybe some adverse synergy may occur. For instance choline levels, or serotonin problems from combining 5-htp, l-tryptophan and rhodiola rosea. I know rhodiola can conflict with MAOI’s, would it have a similar affect for SSRi’s?

Before i successfully took the 5-htp stack with zink, vitamins, fish oils and rhodiola. But if the other nootropics Do not conflict I would like to supplement my brain with the best fuel possible.

Thanks

Regards,
Mark

    David Tomen
    February 10, 2020

    Mark, the problem with DMAE is it inhibits phospholipid synthesis. This means you won’t get much help with choline precursors. You need a good source of choline.

    But Phosphatidylcholine (PC) or CDP-Choline and Omega-3’s can help offset the damage caused by long-term DMAE use. So if you’re doing adequate doses of these then I wouldn’t worry about cycling DMAE.

    As for your other question, I suggest you learn the side effects of excess acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin and not enough of each of these neurotransmitters. Then adjust accordingly.

    Because everything you’re doing is natural and considered “non-toxic” there should not be a problem using what you are now. Just keep an eye out for side effects which are described under the review of each nootropic.

Mr.Sulbutiamine
November 30, 2019

Hi David,

I have a question about this warning?
is it only for females?

“If you are planning on becoming pregnant do not use DMAE. Clinical studies have shown that DMAE may stunt the growth of the child’s brain.[xxiii]”

for the males? can they take it? and get normal babies?
or it will lead to birth problems even if DMAE used by only the father?

please advise.
Thanks & Regards

    David Tomen
    December 1, 2019

    Studies show that DMAE can cause developmental defects in embryos in animal models. So if you are a human female I’d avoid DMAE if you are pregnant or thinking of getting pregnant because it could cause mental development problems in the unborn child.

Bob
November 4, 2019

Hello david, great source of information ..
For almost a few months I suspected I had a mild form of adhd and anxiety and low concentration, since then I started self-observation and placebo increased the symptoms slightly, in my environment the choice of nootropics is very small (certain amino acids and plant extracts), a set I have used unsuccessfully are multivitamins b complexes, ginkgo, alcar, asvaganda, rhodiola, l tyrosine, gaba, dha .. I am 35 years old and physically healthy, intend to try dmae, the question for you is a recommendation for some nootropic supplement or a smaller set that might to act, said axis additions I did not even feel mumbo and ashwagandha.
All the best in future work and I wish you success as a person and an institution !!

    David Tomen
    November 5, 2019

    Bob, you mentioned in your comment that the nootropics you’ve tried so far were unsuccessful. If I read that right I suggest you re-evaluate your dosages for each supplement.

    Because you have the basics for a good ADHD stack. But the only way this stack will work to relieve your symptoms is if you closely follow dosage recommendations and timing during the day.

Graeme
October 25, 2019

Hi David,

Hi David,

I take dexamphetamine for ADHD and I would like to try DMAE as an alternative. I also take Performance Lab Mind. Is there enough CPD Choline in PLM or should I use more with DMAE.

I have read elswhere that people with depression should avoid choline supplements as too much Ach can worsen their condition. What is your view on this.

Thank you for your website, your information is great.

    David Tomen
    October 26, 2019

    Graeme, DMAE is not an alternative to dexamphetamine. Nor is it an efficient way to increase acetylcholine. Because DMAE only increases acetylcholine (ACh) levels in the brain by inhibiting choline metabolism in peripheral tissues. Forcing more choline into the bloodstream and theoretically making more available for acetylcholine synthesis. Kinda’ like robbing Peter to pay Paul in my opinion.

    And boosting acetylcholine is just one part of getting the ADHD brain to work better. Here’s a better option …

    I personally replaced the use of Ritalin for one entire year using this stack: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-adhd-add/. Just replace Mind Lab Pro with Performance Lab Mind but keep the rest the same.

    And we cannot make a blanket statement about depression and choline supplements because it depends on what the root cause of depression is. See this post to understand my meaning of this statement: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-depression/. In some cases excess acetylcholine could worsen depression of course. But this would be a small percentage of the people suffering from depression.

Carline Verrier
September 29, 2019

Can you recommend an alternative with similar effects for those with bipolar?

    David Tomen
    September 29, 2019

    Carline, your best option is using the search function top right for the keyword “bipolar disorder” and see what turns up. I just did the search and got 4 pages of results. It’ll take some reading but I’m sure you’ll find several alternatives that may work for you.

Annie
September 1, 2019

I’m wondering why DMAE is not recommended if you have bipolar disorder or epilepsy? What sort of adverse effect does it have?

    David Tomen
    September 2, 2019

    Annie, I’ve come across across a couple of mentions that DMAE may increase the symptoms of bipolar and epilepsy. But I haven’t found any solid reference on why DMAE may produce this side effect.

Brian
August 15, 2019

Hi David,
Thanks for the great resource! I’ve just started reading up on nootropics and keep coming back to your site because it’s easy to read but has lots of great info.
This may be a long shot, but my wife is on disability with chronic migraines (basically non-stop) with the occasional good day every now and then. Western medicine doesn’t have much to offer. She takes Zonegran which is an anti-spasmodic (migraines are related to epilepsy) as a preventative.

Do you have any recommendations or know of any resources I could check?

    David Tomen
    August 16, 2019

    Brain, I just did a general search using the search function top right and got 4 pages referencing migraines. For example, Gotu Kola, CBD Oil and Lithium Orotate have either been tested for migraines, or are prescribed off-label for migraines.

    Do a search and start reading. You’ll be surprised I think at some of the options available for your wife. And are very easy to get and try.

MR. F
August 10, 2019

Hi Dave.
I started taking ALCAR 1500mg daily for a genetic deficiency and my skin exploded with age spots, so I added DMAE bitartrate 340mg with 2400mg PC to eliminate headaches. It’s been a few weeks but I don’t see any reduction in age spots. Also, since DMAE is doing wonders for my financial life Should I increase DMAE? What’s the real upper limit of DMAE?

    David Tomen
    August 10, 2019

    Mr. F., DMAE should reduce the lipofuscin (age spots) in your body and maximum dosage is 200 mg per day. However …

    DMAE inhibits phospholipid synthesis. Without getting into a long explanation of the mechanics – Phosphatidylcholine (PC) or CDP-Choline and Omega-3’s can help offset the damage caused by long-term DMAE use.

    You are already using PC so should add a high quality Omega-3 preferably providing at least 1,000 mg DHA per day. And you need to ‘cycle’ DMAE by only using it for 5 days per week or less. And give your body a break for at least two days before using it again.

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