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Phenibut

David Tomen
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Phenibut has a calming effect on brain and body, helps relieve stress and anxiety, and boosts Human Growth Hormone

Key Takeaways

  1. Phenibut is a GABA analogue that increases GABA levels in the brain, providing stress relief and reducing anxiety.
  2. It has been used in the treatment of neurological disorders such as PTSD, anxiety, depression, insomnia, and alcoholism.
  3. By raising GABA levels, Phenibut helps balance mood, promotes focus, relaxation, and positive mood, and counteracts irritability and restlessness.
  4. Phenibut should be used cautiously due to potential dependency, withdrawal symptoms, and adverse side effects.
  5. Phenibut dosage should start low at 200 – 300 mg per day, avoid alcohol or benzodiazepines, and purchase from reliable sources.

 

Phenibut (β-Phenyl-GABA, β-phenyl-γ-aminobutyric acid, Noofen, Citrocard) is an analogue of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA. The addition of a phenyl ring allows Phenibut to cross the blood-brain barrier (BBB). Neurohackers prefer Phenibut when the goal is to raise GABA levels in the brain because GABA as dietary supplement cannot cross the BBB.

Phenibut is an analogue of GABA and this is the chemical structure of each.
GABA-vs-Phenibut

Phenibut was developed in St. Petersburg, Russia in 1963. And it has since been used as a pharmaceutical used to treat PTSD, anxiety, depression, insomnia, alcoholism and other neurological disorders.

GABA’s role is to keep glutamate, the primary excitatory neurotransmitter, from overwhelming you. Too much glutamate can cause a seizure, and too little (or too much) GABA can put you in a coma. A healthy brain maintains a critical balance of GABA and glutamate within the central nervous system.

GABA acts like a “brake” on neuron circuits during stress. Low GABA levels can result in anxiety, insomnia, poor mood and restlessness.

Clinical studies show that boosting GABA with a supplement like Phenibut relieves anxiety, stress, and boosts the production of alpha brain waves.[i] If GABA is optimized in your brain you’ll feel focused, relaxed and stress-free.

Phenibut helps:

  • Balance mood. Phenibut has an inhibitory effect on overly stimulated neurons because it raises GABA levels in your brain. Low GABA levels lead to anxiety, depression and insomnia. GABA helps restore that balance. Promoting a more positive mood which improves focus and relaxation.[ii]
  • Boost Human Growth Hormone. Bodybuilders and athletes use Phenibut before resistance training. Studies show by raising GABA levels, you can boost blood levels of Human Growth Hormone.[iii] Promoting greater recovery support and lean muscle growth.
  • Neurotransmitters. Phenibut stimulates dopamine receptors, and antagonizes beta-phenethylamine (PEA).[iv] Dopamine aids in memory formation, attention, focus, and cognition. PEA increases the action of dopamine, norepinephrine, acetylcholine and serotonin. It’s partly behind the overstimulation that causes irritability, restlessness, and agitation that could be caused by too much dopamine and norepinephrine. Phenibut can counteract this affect giving you a cognition boost without the negatives.[v]

Overview

Phenibut (β-Phenyl-GABA, β-phenyl-γ-aminobutyric acid, Noofen, Citrocard) is derived from the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA. The addition of a phenyl ring allows Phenibut to cross the blood-brain barrier. And the reason why neurohackers prefer Phenibut when the goal is to raise GABA levels in the brain.

Phenibut chemical structure
Phenibut

GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid) is the major inhibitory or relaxing neurotransmitter in your brain.[vi] GABA’s primary role is to keep the major excitatory neurotransmitter glutamate in check.

GABA is naturally synthesized in your brain from glutamate. It’s estimated that 40% of the synapses in the human brain work with GABA and therefore have GABA receptors.

So when using Phenibut to boost GABA, you enhance normal sleep cycles, and improve blood pressure. GABA even stimulates the pituitary gland to secrete Human Growth Hormone. And helps produce endorphins that make you feel good after a workout or sex.

Soon after Phenibut was discovered in St. Petersburg, Russia, it was being prescribed by doctors to lower stress and anxiety, treat PTSD and insomnia.

Phenibut was included in the medical kit for Russian astronauts on the Soyuz-19 and Salyut-4 missions as a ‘tranquilizer’.[vii] Because Russian scientists found that Phenibut is one of the only tranquilizer and nootropic drug options that lowers stress levels without negatively affecting performance.

As a nootropic, when you use Phenibut to normalize GABA levels you’ll experience a reduction in anxiety, insomnia, nervousness, restlessness and stress.

Phenibut can be a more natural, safer alternative to Benzodiazepine drugs like Valium and Xanax. These pharmaceuticals work by increasing GABA receptor sensitivity.[viii]

Phenibut relieves anxiety

How does Phenibut work in the Brain?

Phenibut helps brain health and function in several ways. But two in particular stand out.

  1. Phenibut boosts GABA in the brain. Phenibut is a derivative of GABA. And easily crosses the blood-brain barrier. GABA on its own cannot cross this barrier unless paired with a dedicated carrier.[ix]

GABA works by preventing neural signaling associated with anxiety from reaching other neurons. It does this by attaching to the receptors that would otherwise excite those neurons. Over-stimulating neurons in certain areas of your brain is what causes anxiety-related symptoms.

The majority of studies on Phenibut have been conducted in Russia. And most studies have been done with animals. In this study using rabbits, scientists looked at anxiety behaviors and how they were effected by Phenibut.

They exposed the rabbits to emotional stimuli causing anxiety in the animals. Anxiety caused the rabbits to ‘freeze’ and exhibit defensive reactions. Behaviors very similar to what happens in humans when they’re under stress.

When the rabbits were administered Phenibut, the anxiety-caused reactions of defensiveness and passive reactions (freezing) decreased to normal behavior.[x]

  1. GABA changes brain waves. Using Phenibut as a nootropic helps increase GABA levels in your brain. And we know that GABA helps decrease Beta brain waves and increase Alpha brain waves.[xi]

Beta brain waves are important for attention, alertness, concentration and developing memories. But excess levels of concentration, particularly during stress, can lead to anxiety, depression, insomnia and more stress.

When you are in an alert state, both Alpha and Beta brain waves can be stimulated. But the type of alertness will determine which brain wave is produced.

Alertness during an Alpha wave state is associated with a relaxed state. And a stressed alert state produces a Beta wave. But an excess of Beta brain waves contributes to a variety of nervous disorders including anxiety and stress.

Most of the clinical studies available done with humans use GABA supplementation rather than Phenibut. But the outcome of using GABA could be applied to using Phenibut to increase GABA levels in the brain. Phenibut crosses the blood-brain barrier more effectively than GABA.

In this study, researchers investigated using GABA on relaxation and immunity during stress in humans. They evaluated the effect on 13 subjects of GABA intake on brain waves.

An electroencephalogram (EEG) was used to measure brain waves after subjects took water only, GABA or L-Theanine. 60 minutes after administration, the study showed that GABA significantly increased Alpha waves and decreased Beta waves compared to water or L-Theanine.

The researchers concluded that raising brain levels of GABA induced relaxation and diminished anxiety.[xii] And you raise brain levels of GABA effectively when supplementing with Phenibut.

Phenibut boosts alpha brain waves for alert relaxation

How things go bad

Low levels of GABA are associated with a variety of health problems.

↑ Anxiety[xiii], panic attacks, stress, PTSD, and insomnia

↑ Muscle spasms, hypertension, convulsion, Tourette’s Syndrome and epilepsy

↑ Dry skin and wrinkles

↑ Poor digestion, bloating, flatulence, and constipation

When your neurotransmitters, including GABA, are in balance, you feel motivated, productive and energetic. And you feel calm and relaxed during downtime.

When GABA levels are low you feel filled with dread, you’re constantly worried, you have racing thoughts, and you’re frequently late and disorganized.[xiv]

Many people in this GABA-slump resort to high carbohydrate foods, and drugs or alcohol to relax.

Phenibut benefits

Phenibut to relieve PTSDPhenibut is an analogue of GABA. The addition of a phenyl ring allows Phenibut to cross the blood-brain barrier much more easily than GABA taken as a supplement.

We need adequate GABA levels in our brain because it’s an inhibitory neurotransmitter. When we raise GABA levels by supplementing with Phenibut, we help keep glutamate in check.

Glutamate is your body’s most abundant excitatory neurotransmitter. Which is responsible for attention span, brain energy, learning ability, memory, and staying awake.

So GABA is calming and glutamate is stimulating. And they must be in balance with each other for optimal cognitive health.

An imbalance of these two neurotransmitters can cause fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, poor memory and cognition, anxiety and depression.

But when these two neurotransmitters work together efficiently, you feel relaxed with no stress or feelings of anxiety. And you get a more restful night’s sleep.

Adding Phenibut to your nootropic stack can help bring GABA and glutamate back into balance.

How does Phenibut feel?

When you balance GABA levels in your brain, you feel relaxed and calm. But many neurohackers who try using GABA as a supplement don’t feel the effects. Because the GABA molecule is too large to cross the blood-brain barrier.[xv]Phenibut improves sex

Note: If you do feel the calming effects of supplementing with GABA within a ½ hour of taking it, it may mean you have a “leaky” blood-brain barrier. Not a good thing.[xvi] Because if GABA can get through, all kinds of nasty stuff can get through too. Including toxins, undigested food particles and anything else in your blood stream that shouldn’t be in your brain.

See my article on how to fix a “leaky” blood-brain barrier here: How to Heal a Leaky Blood-Brain Barrier

But here were talking about increasing our GABA levels using Phenibut. Neurohackers report that adding Phenibut to their stack relieves anxiety, there is less stress and they feel more relaxed.

In fact, some say it’s the best anti-anxiety ‘medication’ they’ve ever used. Including some well known pharmaceuticals (i.e. Clonazepam, Diazepam, Alprazolam) used to treat anxiety. With none of the nasty side effects that come with prescription meds.

Social functions could get some help with Phenibut. You could feel less inhibited, speak freely and feel more confident.

Others report that Phenibut boosts sex drive, and for men it helps control ejaculation. And it helps for a better night’s sleep.

Athletes report that Phenibut goes well with a workout. Because Phenibut has been shown to boost Human Growth Hormone. You’ll be able to work out with less fatigue, energy levels will go up, muscles won’t be as sore and recovery could be faster.

Phenibut takes 2 – 4 hours before you begin to feel its effects. A strong word of caution: do not increase the dose or take additional Phenibut if you think things are not happening fast enough!  Wait at least 24 hours before taking another dose.

Phenibut Clinical Research

GABA was identified as a neurotransmitter several decades ago. And there had been a lot of research on GABA published since. But most of it is focused on how GABA works. And the drugs and chemicals which affect its action.

There is very little research available on using GABA as a supplement. Likely because most scientists believe that GABA taken as a supplement will not cross the blood-brain barrier.

And there is even less research available on using Phenibut. Particularly in humans. Most of the clinical trials have been done in Russia and were done with animals.

Here we talk about how GABA can affect your cognition and overall health. This research supports the idea that using Phenibut to raise GABA levels can have a profound effect on your quality of life.

GABA Increases Human Growth Hormone

Bodybuilders and athletes use Phenibut or even GABA to help repair and build muscle. And there are several studies supporting the notion that GABA increases Human Growth Hormone.

In one study, researchers worked with 19 subjects who were given a single oral dose of 5 grams of GABA. 18 subjects were given a placebo during this trial. 3 hours after the administration of GABA, blood samples were taken. The team reported that “GABA caused a significant elevation of plasma growth hormone levels”.[xvii]

GABA helps Reduce Insomnia

A Los Angeles study conducted a randomized, double-blind, placebo controlled trial with 18 patients with sleep disorders. The patients received either a placebo, or Gabadone (a combination of GABA and 5-hydroxytryptophan).

The difference between the two groups of sleep-deprived patients was significant. The Gabadone group fell asleep faster, stayed asleep longer, and had a better quality of sleep than the placebo group.[xviii]

Neurohackers consistently report a similar effect on sleep quality when using Phenibut.

Recommended Phenibut Dosage

Phenibut recommended dosageThe recommended daily starting dosage of Phenibut is 200 – 300 mg. for a relaxation or calming effect. Give it 2 – 4 hours before it starts to kick in. Your Phenibut dose should be taken on an empty stomach.

More experienced Phenibut users go with high doses of up to 1 – 1 ½ grams per dose. And up to 3-times per week.

Since you can quickly build up a tolerance to Phenibut dosing less often is preferred. Many advise keeping Phenibut use to once or twice per week with almost no side effects and no hangover the next day.

Phenibut can be very addictive for some people and the withdrawal symptoms from continuous use is particularly nasty. So if you’re going to try Phenibut make sure you follow dosage recommendations to prevent Phenibut overdose.

Phenibut Side Effects

Phenibut is considered safe when taken in normal recommended doses.

Bodybuilders who use much higher doses of Phenibut do report experiencing flushing, tingling, a spike in heart rate and blood pressure, and anxiety.

You can build up tolerance to Phenibut quickly. And if you have an addictive personality you should avoid using Phenibut.

Most neurohackers suggest cycling Phenibut. Using recommended doses for 4 or 5 days and taking a few days off. Others suggest only using Phenibut once per week.

You’ll have to find out what works for you if you decide to try Phenibut. And expect to have a rough ride at first. Too much and the withdrawal can be nasty. Phenibut withdrawal symptoms can occur even with short-term therapeutic use.

While it is considered legal to use Phenibut as a nutritional supplement in the United States, it is highly advised that you do so with caution. It is technically not a controlled substance, but it is dangerous for those taking Phenibut with other substances.

For example, you are strongly advised not to combine Phenibut with alcohol. And absolutely DO NOT combine Phenibut with benzodiazepines. Or you could put yourself into a coma that you may not come out of. Avoid anything that touches or increases GABA when using Phenibut.

Where to buy Phenibut

Phenibut as a supplement is available in tablet, capsule and powder. Scientists have shown that Phenibut easily crosses the blood-brain barrier.

Phenibut is an analogue of GABA developed in Russia, and it increases levels of GABA in your brain. While some report that Phenibut causes drowsiness and fatigue, it’s a much safer way to boost GABA than with benzodiazepines. But do NOT combine either benzos or any drug that raises GABA with Phenibut because you could put yourself into a coma.

I recommend Cosmic Nootropic – Phenibut.

Nootropics Expert Recommendation

Phenibut 200 – 300 mg per day.

Nootropics Expert Tested and ApprovedI recommend using Phenibut (with caution) as a nootropic supplement if you’re feeling anxiety or stress. And to calm or keep in check the stimulatory effects of some nootropics.

Your body does make GABA on its own from glutamate in your brain. Most healthy people have an adequate supply of GABA. But if you’re dealing with anxiety or stress and need some extra help in calming things down, Phenibut can help.

Phenibut is particularly helpful if you’re dealing with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). I’ve seen reports by combat veterans who say that Phenibut worked far better than any prescription anti-anxiety med.

I suggest trying a Phenibut dietary supplements first at a dose of 200 – 300 mg. Phenibut can be a powerful method of boosting GABA levels in your brain. But it also has addictive potential especially if you’re prone to addiction.

Phenibut takes 2 – 4 hours to take effect in your body. Do not yield to temptation and take more just because you’re not feeling anything. Sometimes the beneficial effects of Phenibut are not felt until the next day.

Cycle your use of Phenibut to avoid tolerance and side effects. Your sweet spot could be every 2nd or 3rd day. Or even just once a week. Find out what works best for you.

The ‘hangover’ from abusing Phenibut is particularly nasty. You should be able to avoid these side effects by keeping doses low. And limiting the days you use Phenibut.

You can safely work your way up to 1,500 mg of Phenibut per day on the day that you dose. Some athletes go as high as 3,000 mg. But for nootropic use, a higher dose is not necessary or recommended.

I recommend Cosmic Nootropic – Phenibut.

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Join The Discussion - 155 comments

Adam
November 25, 2021

Hi David!

My wife is a vocalist who suffer from globus hystericus only when She perform at stage or in the studio. Naturall suplements like Gaba, Ashwagandha, Taurine, CBD work well for her but effect is subtle. Would your recommend Phenibut?

I also thaught about giving her Aniracetam (with cognizin) + Phenibut combo. Can we buy 1h consultation with you on skype to resolve this problem? Or should we contact nearest doctor instead. Thanks!

    David Tomen
    November 29, 2021

    Adam, sounds like an anxiety disorder but I definitely do NOT recommend Phenibut as a treatment. Aniracetam with Cognizin is a great anxiolytic on its own.

    One client from several months ago solved his problem of paralyzing anxiety he would get only in front of an audience by using Lemon Balm extract. It solved his problem within a day.

    I’m happy to do a consultation with you if you think it necessary.

Joe
October 10, 2021

Dear David,
Let me start by saying thank you for addressing cognition-related issues & helping out here. Maybe you could add a Reward/donation/tip tab here for people to reward you for the time spent answering their questions.

I’m a daily low-medium dose phenibut user, I take it instead of nasty pharmaceuticals, along with other nootropics & it’s been great so far.

Sometimes I get a numbness/electrifying feeling in my extremities which I think is too much GABA effect from phenibut? (not sure). Even if I take lower than usual doses sometimes…

Anyhow, if that’s the case, what could be a good way to combat/reverse this uncomfortable feeling in your opinion? Could Glutamatergics like Piracetam & Sulbutiamine be a quick fix? (if not please suggest me a great one to use)

Thank you again, Mr.David

    David Tomen
    October 11, 2021

    Joe, that is indeed a side effect of excess GABA and the only way to reduce it is to take a Phenibut holiday for a couple of days every week.

    Piracetam is not a glutamatergic but is a cyclic derivative of GABA. It does not touch the GABA system in your brain or your gut. And Sulbutiamine is required for the enzyme α-KGDH which maintains stable levels of glutamate and GABA. You could try Sulbutiamine but I’m not sure if it will solve your problem. The only sure way is to reduce excess GABA by cutting back on Phenibut.

Chris Green
October 9, 2021

Hi David,

Aside from phenibut, are there any other nootropics you are aware of that you should not have in your system if consuming alcohol? Would it predominately be other GABA agonists? I’m currently taking l-theanine twice a day and plan on starting with KSM-66 twice a day also and these are the 2 compounds I was most concerned about.

    David Tomen
    October 11, 2021

    Chris, Ashwagandha can boost the effects of alcohol. Probably because it activates GABA receptors.

Gary Smith
October 8, 2021

Thanks for writing up Phenibut. I bought this product a while back.

Future Alchemy Repose Natural Sleep Formula

I would say that 90% of the time when I take two pills before bed, I sleep incredibly well. I have had insomnia for two years since getting off of three depression medications. I have been concerned about using it due to dependence. The rep who I bought it from suggested using it twice a week.

GABA does not thing for me (nor has anything really). Though you recommended Delta-8. I have used it three nights in a row and it appears that 6 mg is a good spot for me. I tried 12 mg and had a horrific night of sleep.

If I decide to more regularly use Phenibut, would you recommend twice a week at most? Would you recommend the 275 mg HR version from above? I don’t know how much phenibut I get from the two pills in the Repose product.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

    David Tomen
    October 8, 2021

    Gary, the thing I detest about supplements like this one by Future Alchemy is their “proprietary formula”. That for me is a show-stopper. And then I only recognize the first 2 ingredients. The other ingredients are not necessarily a “bad” thing but I haven’t done the research on these Ayurvedic herbs so cannot comment on them.

    But this sentence from your comment says it all “I don’t know how much phenibut I get from the two pills in the Repose product.”

    While I avoid Phenibut because it is so potent, when use responsibly it can be a very effective sleep aid and anxiolytic. So I would choose the HR version IF I was going to use this type of supplement because I know exactly what I’m putting into my body.

    The only other downside to using Phenibut for sleep is you can only use it 2 or max. 3-times per week. Phenibut is like using a benzo for sleep. This is a classic example of “more is NEVER better”. And when you decide to stop using Phenibut be prepared for some nasty withdrawal symptoms. I should not be as bad if using it only twice per week. But don’t quote me on that.

      Gary Smith
      October 9, 2021

      The rep at Alchemy responded and said that the Repose has 200 mg of phenibut per capsule, meaning when I do take it, I am taking 400 mg.

      I totally hear you on the dependence/withdrawal issue. This is why I have never consistently taken it twice per week. I’ve taken it off and on for 18 months or so. Far more off. I am considering it because I am so desperate as the insomnia continues to worsen.

      The Delta-8 isn’t looking as promising as I had hoped. I am taking around 6 mg per night (I quarter a 25 mg gummie). The one night I upped it to 12.5 mg was a nightmare! I may try to up it to 9 mg tonight. There is one company that combines D8 with CBN. I have some expensive CBN oil that I tried a year ago to no avail. I may add that to the 9 mg of D8 and see if that helps.

      I also purchased a different company’s D8 online yesterday. It seemed to have the most positive reviews from various media. It’s 20 mg per gummie and far more expensive, but had the least junk and chemicals in it.

      I am four nights off of Gabapentin, as I mentioned on your Magnolia Bark review, so hoping that if the insomnia has been worsening due to the weaning and now elimination of GP, it will eventually get better again.

      As to the HR phenibut, I think I may order a bottle to either test twice a week or just to have around when I need some night of sleep resembling normal. Being that I take around 400 mg in the Repose product, would you recommend I purchase the 500 mg version over the 275 mg?

      Thanks!

        David Tomen
        October 11, 2021

        Gary, I think HR Supplements only has the 275 mg version in stock right now. I trust HR Supplements but do not know the other company so will always defer to someone I know.

        And be careful with Delta-8 because you can easily take too much and used in excess is not pretty. My son did it by mistake one night and his anxiety went through the roof.

      Gary Smith
      October 10, 2021

      How do you feel about Nootropics Depot? They also sell phenibut but in 250 mg vs 275 mg at HR. If I am presently taking 200 mg per capsule for a grand total of 400 mg, taking two of these gets me to 500 mg. HR sells a 500 mg. The Depot site has a bunch of reviews. Have you purchased anything from there?

        David Tomen
        October 11, 2021

        Gary, I have not purchased much from Nootropics Depot over the years and I do know know the people who run it.

        HR Supplements on the other hand have been in business for over 25 years and their reputation is solid. I have been using some of their supplements for years and it’s quality product which is the reason I refer people to them.

Bryan
October 3, 2021

Hi I appreciate all the info you have been providing here! I ve got a question I have been taking Phenibut 3 times a week at 1.25 g a dose i take 2 days off in between. Form all the info that i read looks like i should scale down my dosage. In general i have great responses from it good sleep and a great next day but looks like i should scale down my dosage and amounts that i do in a week. I mainly use it for sleep. Looks like i should start finding a better sleep stack to supplement what i have been doing. What would you suggest for reducing the Phenibut dosage and frequency and may suggestions for other sleep stacks?

Chris Drennen
August 26, 2021

Is there any good reason to take Phenibut if I am already taking GABA? Do you think Phenibut is best non-Rx tranquilizer?

    David Tomen
    August 27, 2021

    Chris, I am not a fan of Phenibut because of its abuse potential. And I cannot think of a good reason to use it. But a few guys swear by it and say it is the best anti-anxiety supplement they have ever used.

    Phenibut is much more potent than supplementing with GABA. And if you decide to stop using it if you have been using it for awhile you’ll go through some really nasty withdrawal. A lot like detoxing from benzos.

      Chris Drennen
      August 27, 2021

      Wow, that’s interesting. I was hooked on ativan for 5 years back in the 80s (panic disorder) and later hooked on klonopin for 18 years up to 2016. It was a nightmare getting off them – benzo withdrawl is worse than heroin, so they say.

        David Tomen
        August 27, 2021

        Then I would definitely avoid Phenibut if I were you.

김승언
June 24, 2021

In korea, this nootropic has been designated in temporary drug

Mattias
February 25, 2021

Hello David!

I have a few questions about phenibut. First of all iam 10 months free from drug abuse för many many years. Been using alot of different drugs. But the real struggle to givetvis upp have been xanax. Used as much as 30 mg daily just to feel “normal” And function. Iam very decided to not return to that life. But thing is iam experiencing realy bad post acute abstinence symptoms åt the the moment. IT kinda feel realy hopeless. The social anxiety is by får the worse. Used to have no social problems at all and its realy bugging me that i cant perform as i would like. I have started to a void social situations and gett alot of anxiety when i do interact socialt, especially new people. Feelings like iam acting wierd and realy feeling like a “addict” And thinking they know about my criminal and drug abusing past. Realy not used to this feeling. Loved attention för all my life and liked being in the center of everything. Just feeling week and stressed out för not performing. Realy want to start working and en something with my life. But it feels som fucking hard just because of the social anxiety. Kinda sucks just going to the store. Anslyzing everything before (what can happens) during (going inside other Peoples head and what they ser thinking) and after i anylize the crap out how it went. I tried zopiclone one time during the day and i felt som much better in all ways. Acctuly scary how great it worked in suck smäll domare as 7.5 my / 15 mg. Anyway i three them away because i scared of abuse again. Realy struggling to keep clean. But feels like i realy realy need a break and some confidence in this and feel like it will get better? Feeling som stuck. So my question about phenibut is IF 2 times USA ge a week can help me in the long term and on the day iam off it as well. IF i can get the feeling things is possible it might help me boost my confidence? Kinda know what u are going to reply due to my earlier abuse but i realy need some kind of help. Iam also meficated with vyanse för adhd. It works great but can make me feel a bit guilty socialy some times. Used alot of amfetamin earlier aswell. Tried a combination of lyrics and vyanse a few years sgo when i tried to quit my addiction snd tyst worked great. I’m disgnosed with GAD but the docisl service wont let me take lyrica when they are paying my treatment. Thats when i started to think about phenibut. Iam acctuly realy glad för snyggt tips or replies. Hope this didnt get to messy and also sorry för my vad English.. Iam from Sweden anyway
Beställ regards Mattias

    David Tomen
    February 25, 2021

    Matthias, if you struggle with addiction the very last supplement you’d want to try is Phenibut. Because you are setting yourself up for relapse. Very, very quickly.

    I just had a conversation with someone else who was having problems detoxing from Xanax. And the only thing i found that helped with Xanax withdrawal symptoms was a case study about someone rapidly detoxing from Xanax (http://bit.ly/3aUuS0v). And they used high dose Niacin + GABA + Vitamin C + magnesium. That should help that part of what you are dealing with.

    For Vyvanse and ADHD support I highly recommend what thousands including myself are using and that’s here: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-adhd-add/

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